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Ted Gould 03-02-2009 02:17 PM

Messaging Indicator (was: Notifications: uselessness of)
 
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 11:45 +0000, (``-_-) -- BUGabundo wrote:
> On Monday 02 March 2009 10:19:19 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> > This will be handled by the new messaging menu.
>
> What *new* messaging menu?
> Are there new stuff coming up that _we_ dont know about?
> Can you please elaborate a bit more, so that we know what to expect?

Currently it's configured for the default install, but the upgrade
script has not be configured to put it in a current user's panel. So if
you'd like to add it you need right click on your panel and add
"Indicator Applet".

You should have it installed, but if not, you should install the
indicator-messages package.

This is a small menu that shows IMs that have come but you haven't seen
and also mail messages. You can open up a specific message by clicking
on it in the menu. You can also hide/show the Pidgin buddy list by
using the menu item for it.

The only two applications having patches to use the messaging menu today
are Pidgin and Evolution. Sadly it's progress has been hampered by
language bindings as I was hoping to have more for the Jaunty
release :-/

Project page is here:

http://launchpad.net/indicator-applet/

There is some documentation in the packages now, working on more.
Questions/ideas/patches welcome :)

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Scott Kitterman 03-02-2009 04:01 PM

Messaging Indicator (was: Notifications: uselessness of)
 
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 09:17:20 -0600 Ted Gould <ted@ubuntu.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 11:45 +0000, (``-_-) -- BUGabundo wrote:
>> On Monday 02 March 2009 10:19:19 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
>> > This will be handled by the new messaging menu.
>>
>> What *new* messaging menu?
>> Are there new stuff coming up that _we_ dont know about?
>> Can you please elaborate a bit more, so that we know what to expect?
>
>Currently it's configured for the default install, but the upgrade
>script has not be configured to put it in a current user's panel. So if
>you'd like to add it you need right click on your panel and add
>"Indicator Applet".
>
>You should have it installed, but if not, you should install the
>indicator-messages package.
>
>This is a small menu that shows IMs that have come but you haven't seen
>and also mail messages. You can open up a specific message by clicking
>on it in the menu. You can also hide/show the Pidgin buddy list by
>using the menu item for it.
>
>The only two applications having patches to use the messaging menu today
>are Pidgin and Evolution. Sadly it's progress has been hampered by
>language bindings as I was hoping to have more for the Jaunty
>release :-/
>
>Project page is here:
>
> http://launchpad.net/indicator-applet/
>
>There is some documentation in the packages now, working on more.
>Questions/ideas/patches welcome :)

Couldn't some kind of indicator about available updates go here so they aren't hidden from users for up to a week?

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Mackenzie Morgan 03-02-2009 05:11 PM

Messaging Indicator (was: Notifications: uselessness of)
 
On Monday 02 March 2009 12:01:34 pm Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Couldn't some kind of indicator about available updates go here so they
aren't hidden from users for up to a week?

Or so the KDE users know we need to switch to GNOME? There's no indicator
plasmoid yet, so Pidgin's functionality is rather broken in KDE right now.

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Scott Kitterman 03-02-2009 05:49 PM

Messaging Indicator (was: Notifications: uselessness of)
 
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:11:22 -0500 Mackenzie Morgan <macoafi@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On Monday 02 March 2009 12:01:34 pm Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> Couldn't some kind of indicator about available updates go here so they
>aren't hidden from users for up to a week?
>
>Or so the KDE users know we need to switch to GNOME? There's no indicator
>plasmoid yet, so Pidgin's functionality is rather broken in KDE right now.

Does it work better with the orginal libnotify instead of notify-osd? I
suspect that any use of notify-osd by users of other Ubuntu flavors is
unlikely to end well.

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Mario Limonciello 03-02-2009 05:56 PM

Messaging Indicator (was: Notifications: uselessness of)
 
Hi Scott:

On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:49, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote:

<snip>

Does it work better with the orginal libnotify instead of notify-osd? *I

suspect that any use of notify-osd by users of other Ubuntu flavors is

unlikely to end well.

Not true.* Notify-osd works great on both Xubuntu and Mythbuntu.* There is compositing support in xfwm4.* When turned on it operates just like it does in GNOME.* I'd suspect it works as designed for UNR too.

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Scott Kitterman 03-02-2009 06:04 PM

Messaging Indicator (was: Notifications: uselessness of)
 
On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:56:08 -0600 Mario Limonciello <superm1@ubuntu.com> wrote:
>Hi Scott:
>
>On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:49, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>Does it work better with the orginal libnotify instead of notify-osd? *I
>suspect that any use of notify-osd by users of other Ubuntu flavors is
>unlikely to end well.
>
>
>Not true.* Notify-osd works great on both Xubuntu and Mythbuntu.* There is compositing support in xfwm4.* When turned on it operates just like it does in GNOME.* I'd suspect it works as designed for UNR too.
>
I see it's in both mythbuntu-desktop and ubuntustudio-desktop. Thanks for point that out.

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Mackenzie Morgan 03-02-2009 06:38 PM

Messaging Indicator (was: Notifications: uselessness of)
 
On Monday 02 March 2009 1:49:06 pm Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:11:22 -0500 Mackenzie Morgan <macoafi@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Monday 02 March 2009 12:01:34 pm Scott Kitterman wrote:
> >> Couldn't some kind of indicator about available updates go here so they
> >aren't hidden from users for up to a week?
> >
> >Or so the KDE users know we need to switch to GNOME? There's no indicator
> >plasmoid yet, so Pidgin's functionality is rather broken in KDE right now.
>
> Does it work better with the orginal libnotify instead of notify-osd? I
> suspect that any use of notify-osd by users of other Ubuntu flavors is
> unlikely to end well.

With libnotify I still had the Show button. Discovering that not using a
notification icon in the notification area makes Pidgin's buddylist invisible
until I poke through ~/.purple/buddlist.xml and set it to always show an icon
...yeah that wasn't fun. Yes a bug is filed for that.

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Mackenzie Morgan 03-02-2009 06:41 PM

Messaging Indicator (was: Notifications: uselessness of)
 
On Monday 02 March 2009 2:04:59 pm Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:56:08 -0600 Mario Limonciello <superm1@ubuntu.com>
wrote:
> >Hi Scott:
> >
> >On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:49, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >Does it work better with the orginal libnotify instead of notify-osd? *I
> >suspect that any use of notify-osd by users of other Ubuntu flavors is
> >unlikely to end well.
> >
> >
> >Not true.* Notify-osd works great on both Xubuntu and Mythbuntu.* There is
compositing support in xfwm4.* When turned on it operates just like it does in
GNOME.* I'd suspect it works as designed for UNR too.
> >
> I see it's in both mythbuntu-desktop and ubuntustudio-desktop. Thanks for
point that out.

Oh, I see notifications in Kubuntu from my GTK apps. It's just that Pidgin has
a loss of functionality since the Indicator Applet has no KDE equivalent. Or
does Xubuntu's panel have one?

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Ted Gould 03-02-2009 09:53 PM

Messaging Indicator (was: Notifications: uselessness of)
 
On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 13:49 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:11:22 -0500 Mackenzie Morgan <macoafi@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Monday 02 March 2009 12:01:34 pm Scott Kitterman wrote:
> >> Couldn't some kind of indicator about available updates go here so they
> >aren't hidden from users for up to a week?
> >
> >Or so the KDE users know we need to switch to GNOME? There's no indicator
> >plasmoid yet, so Pidgin's functionality is rather broken in KDE right now.
>
> Does it work better with the orginal libnotify instead of notify-osd?

No, it actually provides a new interface libindicate. Unfortunately
it's tied to dbus-glib right now as we didn't have a KDE developer to
work on the QT integration. One started today! (I'm very excited)

One of the goals of this interface is to provide an easy way for KDE
applications to work on GNOME and vice versa while still providing this
type of functionality. I really hate that people are forced to choose a
set of programs based on their desktop to avoid loosing functionality of
their favorites. I hope that we're on a path to users choosing the best
application independent of the desktop they like.

Anyway, sadly not today, but hopefully soon we'll have some KDE support.
Of course that won't make the release, but we'll start looking at
putting it in a PPA for people who are interested as it gets usable.

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Scott Kitterman 03-02-2009 10:00 PM

Messaging Indicator (was: Notifications: uselessness of)
 
On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:53:54 -0600 Ted Gould <ted@ubuntu.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 2009-03-02 at 13:49 -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:11:22 -0500 Mackenzie Morgan <macoafi@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Monday 02 March 2009 12:01:34 pm Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> >> Couldn't some kind of indicator about available updates go here so
they
>> >aren't hidden from users for up to a week?
>> >
>> >Or so the KDE users know we need to switch to GNOME? There's no
indicator
>> >plasmoid yet, so Pidgin's functionality is rather broken in KDE right
now.
>>
>> Does it work better with the orginal libnotify instead of notify-osd?
>
>No, it actually provides a new interface libindicate. Unfortunately
>it's tied to dbus-glib right now as we didn't have a KDE developer to
>work on the QT integration. One started today! (I'm very excited)
>
>One of the goals of this interface is to provide an easy way for KDE
>applications to work on GNOME and vice versa while still providing this
>type of functionality. I really hate that people are forced to choose a
>set of programs based on their desktop to avoid loosing functionality of
>their favorites. I hope that we're on a path to users choosing the best
>application independent of the desktop they like.
>
>Anyway, sadly not today, but hopefully soon we'll have some KDE support.
>Of course that won't make the release, but we'll start looking at
>putting it in a PPA for people who are interested as it gets usable.
>
I'm a bit suprised. If Pidgin doesn't work correctly with libnotify, how
is the (sorry, I can't recall pittli's fancy word for it) vanilla session
supposed to work?

Scott K

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