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Old 02-13-2012, 01:47 AM
Michael Hall
 
Default Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy & silly themes, desktop-effects!

Please keep in mind that everybody who makes Ubuntu is also an Ubuntu
user, and a large portion of Ubuntu's users are also involved in making it.


Michael Hall
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On 02/12/2012 09:24 PM, Ji Cheng wrote:

Before,I have start a discussion,complain about kubuntu's performance
and ubuntu's useless upgrade. That post is long-winded. So I start
a new thread.

Ubuntu,Please listen to us. The voice from users!

In my mind,The upgrade of ubuntu becomes useless.I haven't find
significant upgrade. Updgrading, means:

1. Remove Banshee,use Rhythm as default music
player.Remove OpenOffice,use LibreOffice.Remove one soft,use another
substitute soft...and so on.

2. Place window's close button at left-side of titlebar (or
next version change it to right,or next version change close
button's icon.).....Just for confusing users.

3. New flashy themes.

4. Drop GNOME,use Unity..Use Unity in PC desktop environment is stupid!

5. ...............

I think many ubuntu users may agree with me.

*Appeal* :

*Many softwares had bad user experience ,full of bugs,lacking of many
useful features! *

Ubuntu,please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy & silly
themes,desktop-effects!

Ubuntu,you should focus your attention on desktop software's user
experience.

**Main Point*: *

*While user think one software is hard to use(or find
bugs),generally he will give up,instead of submit issues to the
developers. *

*
*

*
*

Now,I choose Xubuntu, never Unity.





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Old 02-13-2012, 02:16 AM
scott
 
Default Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy & silly themes, desktop-effects!

On 02/12/2012 09:47 PM, Michael Hall wrote:
Please keep in mind that everybody who makes Ubuntu is also an Ubuntu
user, and a large portion of Ubuntu's users are also involved in
making it.


Michael Hall
mhall119@ubuntu.com



You can't tell by all the backlash against Unity, at the least.

Scott

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Old 02-13-2012, 02:19 AM
Michael Hall
 
Default Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy & silly themes, desktop-effects!

Don't mistake the loudest opinions for the majority opinion. There are
plenty of people who, like me, really enjoy using Unity everyday. We
just don't hijack every blog of Google+ comment thread to say so.


Michael Hall
mhall119@ubuntu.com

On 02/12/2012 10:16 PM, scott wrote:

On 02/12/2012 09:47 PM, Michael Hall wrote:

Please keep in mind that everybody who makes Ubuntu is also an Ubuntu
user, and a large portion of Ubuntu's users are also involved in
making it.

Michael Hall
mhall119@ubuntu.com



You can't tell by all the backlash against Unity, at the least.

Scott



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Old 02-13-2012, 03:48 AM
Michael Hall
 
Default Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy & silly themes, desktop-effects!

Unity's unique features are either optional or automatic. If you
develop your app using Gtk or Qt, you will automatically get the global
menu in Unity. Having an XDG .desktop file will automatically allow
your app to be placed on the Unity launcher and, you can optionally
extend that with Unity Quicklists. The Indicator API exists in both
Unity and KDE.


If you have more questions about integrating your application with
Unity, please take a look at http://unity.ubuntu.com/about/


Michael Hall
mhall119@ubuntu.com


On 02/12/2012 11:39 PM, Life Monad wrote:

Why,I did not choose Unity?
I am a developer too.
Desktop software design principle (Maybe you know) , for end users,
they hope every software has similar appearance, .aka. UX..... Similar
menu layout,keyshortcuts,status bar,notification
area.....especially,settings panel.

Why not improve GNOME if you think it sucks?
(OK..,why not improve Unity if I think it sucks...because I won't waste
time on it,I think Unity have no significant for end users.They want bug
fixes and new useful features & softwares adding eagerly , not another
desktop env.)

BTW:You can image, while user works,he open a new window,...desktop
disappears.

In spare time ,I want to develop some useful tiny programs which /other
platform provided but ubuntu lack of/.(Wine? never be a solution.You
must know it.Forget Wine.Develop your own linux desktop software.)

But when I see Unity,I am confused. Did I need test my program on Unity?
These desktop env have different API &UX. Programs can't do a good
seamless integration with desktop env(also file managers such
as Nautilus . K onqueror ).

Hn...Ha... Why not GNOME X.X? Great Unification.

I am tired.



2012/2/13 Bilal Akhtar <bilalakhtar@ubuntu.com
<mailto:bilalakhtar@ubuntu.com>>

All decisions so far regarding Ubuntu's design and Unity have been
made by large groups of people, and every decision has been influenced
a lot by user testing and feedback. And yes, we've been listening to
our users. Every. Feedback. Counts. As Michael said, we ourselves are
users too.

We'd also be considering your opinions if they were constructive. Just
saying "OMG UNITY SUX IM MOVING TO <Insert a DE or distro here>.
PLEASE FIX UNITY" isn't going to help either side. We tend to ignore
such threads because of their vagueness.

Bilal Akhtar.


> On 02/12/2012 10:16 PM, scott wrote:
>>
>> On 02/12/2012 09:47 PM, Michael Hall wrote:
>>>
>>> Please keep in mind that everybody who makes Ubuntu is also an
Ubuntu
>>> user, and a large portion of Ubuntu's users are also involved in
>>> making it.
>>>
>>> Michael Hall
>>> mhall119@ubuntu.com <mailto:mhall119@ubuntu.com>
>>>
>>>
>> You can't tell by all the backlash against Unity, at the least.
>>
>> Scott
>>

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Old 02-13-2012, 07:55 AM
Tobia Tesan
 
Default Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy & silly themes, desktop-effects!

Il 13/02/2012 03:24, Ji Cheng ha scritto:

Before,I
have start a discussion,complain about kubuntu's performance*
and
ubuntu's useless upgrade. That post is *long-winded. So I start*
a new
thread.*

Ubuntu,Please listen to us. The voice from users!*




I don't really get it.



Ubuntu is *about* a sexy desktop for end-users with all the latest
bells and whistles.

If you are a moderate traditionalist or don't have a lot of memory,
go Debian.

If you are a luddite, go Slackware.

If you are an ubergeek, go Gentoo.



I use all four, for different purpouses, of course.

Why should I want Ubuntu to be Debian, when I already have Debian?



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Old 02-13-2012, 07:57 AM
Tobia Tesan
 
Default Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy & silly themes, desktop-effects!

Il 13/02/2012 04:16, scott ha scritto:

On 02/12/2012 09:47 PM, Michael Hall wrote:
Please keep in mind that everybody who makes Ubuntu is also an Ubuntu
user, and a large portion of Ubuntu's users are also involved in
making it.


Michael Hall
mhall119@ubuntu.com



You can't tell by all the backlash against Unity, at the least.


Those who REALLY like it (yours truly included) don't feel the urge to
start 12567 threads about how much they like it over vanilla Gnome or
Window Maker (I absolutely LOVE bot Unity and WM - again, different
tools for different purpouses)


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What a finely tuned response to the situation!


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Old 02-13-2012, 09:11 AM
Tobia Tesan
 
Default Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy & silly themes, desktop-effects!

Il 13/02/2012 10:47, Life Monad ha scritto:

Debian,Gentoo,Slackware,Ubuntu

I*
use
all four, for different purpouses, of course.*
You use all four??*
GNOME,Unity,KDE,Xfce....XXXX




No. I'm not touching KDE with a 4-foot pole (sorry, KDE folks, you
are doing a great job, but I'm just not a KDE guy .

I also find GNOME2 "neither fish nor flesh" these days.



I run Oneiric+Unity on my "everyday" laptop (making it, among other
advantages, girlfriend-compliant and either Slackware+FVWM or
Debian+WindowMaker on my decrepit laptop and/or on my EEEPC, when I
need a distractions-free envinronment to run an Emacs session and
maybe pine on an otherwise sluggish machine.

Debian is also my server OS of choice, Gentoo is for playing around




Makes perfect sense to me.





oh....different tools for different purposes






Do you seriously think that I should attempt to run Unity on a S3
Virge and/or I should slap FVWM on my girlfriend's uber-specced MBP
and teach her how to edit .fvwmrc?



Maybe,because linux desktop developers only have been
*listening to those users who already are using linux and like it.

*

Maybe...





Oh, come one, Unity is a definite step in the opposite direction.

Everybody knows that real developers don't even use a DE, they do
everything within an emacs session :P

(See also: http://xkcd.com/378/)



But enough about me - seriously, if you don't like Ubuntu, why not
just use Debian?

It basically IS Ubuntu minus the bits you don't like.



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Old 02-13-2012, 10:11 AM
Tobia Tesan
 
Default Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy & silly themes, desktop-effects!

Il 13/02/2012 11:35, Life Monad ha scritto:
In fact, I also merely use Vim/Emacs/Terminal
developping in most time.
These suggestions for Ubuntu desktop's development.


Pitifully,so far, linux desktop users, geek & tech &
programmer are the majority.



Maybe ...*Linux
desktop market share still never *greater than 10% , *in the
future.



You know, this is starting to remind me of the "Pussy Magnet" scene
in Borat.



I don't think I've seen any *real* suggestion whatsoever, except for
a long-winded stream of consciousness which can be reduced to "I
like Slackware. I wish Ubuntu was Slackware. If this can't be done,
at least I wish 12.04 was pretty much like 8.04.".



(Also, real men don't use xterm.

They build a real terminal with an oscilloscope and some ICs.)



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Old 02-13-2012, 06:14 PM
David Klasinc
 
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> _Ubuntu,Please listen to us. The voice from users! _

Dear The Voice [1],

I've read your posts and I tried really hard to make out what are you
trying to tell us. I really did. It seems to me that you are generally
displeased with Ubuntu.

Other than that, you generated a lot of noise and made much ado about
nothing. I don't like peanut butter and you don't see me writing emails
to peanut butter companies telling them that their products taste awful
and that they should really make something like Nutella.

If you have something meaningful to add, to criticize or to tell Ubuntu
developers, please do, by all means. Make a list of specific things that
are bothering you and present them in a civilized way to the relevant
people.

You indeed have this option and there are numerous ways on how you can
do this, but please, be brief and be specific. When you say: "I don't
like Ubuntu." Nobody, without a crystal ball or a pack of fortune
tellers cards, can't really tell what is bothering you.

I do apologize for the rant, but this thread isn't upsetting just my
mailbox, it reached my bowels. :/

Regards,
David


[1] - addressed to the original poster, but for everyone who _knows_
that Unity sucks and they _know_ everybody is running away from Ubuntu.

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Old 02-14-2012, 04:27 PM
"A. James Lewis"
 
Default Fwd:Ubuntu, please don't waste time on upgrading your flashy & silly themes, desktop-effects!

Well said.

I took 1 look at Unity in 11.04 and I decided to stay with Gnome 2.0...
but once Gnome 3 came out and 11.10, I ran them both on different
machines at home and at work... and now, I find myself preferring Unity
over either Gnome 3.x or Gnome 2.x. I NEVER expected that to be the
case, I find I need to adjust a few settings (the default icon size is
too large for my taste)... but I really find it to be a pleasant system
to use.

I've got a machine running 12.04 alpha now too, and you can see
improvements all over the place... 12.04 will be great, and I don't see
what the issue is that is causing people not to see the potential in Unity.

James


On 13/02/12 19:14, David Klasinc wrote:
>> _Ubuntu,Please listen to us. The voice from users! _
>
> Dear The Voice [1],
>
> I've read your posts and I tried really hard to make out what are you
> trying to tell us. I really did. It seems to me that you are generally
> displeased with Ubuntu.
>
> Other than that, you generated a lot of noise and made much ado about
> nothing. I don't like peanut butter and you don't see me writing emails
> to peanut butter companies telling them that their products taste awful
> and that they should really make something like Nutella.
>
> If you have something meaningful to add, to criticize or to tell Ubuntu
> developers, please do, by all means. Make a list of specific things that
> are bothering you and present them in a civilized way to the relevant
> people.
>
> You indeed have this option and there are numerous ways on how you can
> do this, but please, be brief and be specific. When you say: "I don't
> like Ubuntu." Nobody, without a crystal ball or a pack of fortune
> tellers cards, can't really tell what is bothering you.
>
> I do apologize for the rant, but this thread isn't upsetting just my
> mailbox, it reached my bowels. :/
>
> Regards,
> David
>
>
> [1] - addressed to the original poster, but for everyone who _knows_
> that Unity sucks and they _know_ everybody is running away from Ubuntu.
>


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