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Old 10-08-2011, 03:44 PM
Ted Gould
 
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On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 15:39 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
> For Precise, I don't think we want to try to undertake implementation,
> but it would be nice to get the design more fleshed out and perhaps do a
> proof of concept implementation.

Is that decided? I was really hoping that we could get this for P as
being able to keep crash reporting on after release would really help
with successive LTS minor versions.

Is there a way we could simplify the server side (just make it a generic
frontend for Launchpad) to make the desktop side a reasonable
deliverable for P?

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Old 10-08-2011, 04:04 PM
Dereck Wonnacott
 
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I think this database would be just plain awesome! Some thoughts from the peanut gallery:

I frequently don't submit crashes to launchpad because #1 I don't have time, or #2 am lacking an Internet connection at the time, so....



* If the system is configured to "report statistical data" in software sources can we assume that it's alright to collect crash data too? (#1)
* If it wasn't selected during install, perhaps we can ask after the first crash.


* we could save the apport crash reports into a directory so that when an internet connection is detected, a queue of crash reports can be uploaded at once. (#2)

I think the whole thing should be as automatic as possible to get the most complete record of crashes as possible.



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On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Ted Gould <ted@ubuntu.com> wrote:


On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 15:39 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:

> For Precise, I don't think we want to try to undertake implementation,

> but it would be nice to get the design more fleshed out and perhaps do a

> proof of concept implementation.



Is that decided? *I was really hoping that we could get this for P as

being able to keep crash reporting on after release would really help

with successive LTS minor versions.



Is there a way we could simplify the server side (just make it a generic

frontend for Launchpad) to make the desktop side a reasonable

deliverable for P?



* * * * * * * *--Ted




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Old 10-08-2011, 05:04 PM
Matthew Paul Thomas
 
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Ted Gould wrote on 08/10/11 16:44:
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> On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 15:39 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
>>
>> For Precise, I don't think we want to try to undertake
>> implementation, but it would be nice to get the design more
>> fleshed out and perhaps do a proof of concept implementation.
>
> Is that decided?
>
> ...


Not by those who are working on it, that's for sure. It was targeted
for Oneiric, and there's no reason to delay it for an entire year.

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Old 10-08-2011, 09:33 PM
Bryce Harrington
 
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On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 11:44:41AM -0400, Ted Gould wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 15:39 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
> > For Precise, I don't think we want to try to undertake implementation,
> > but it would be nice to get the design more fleshed out and perhaps do a
> > proof of concept implementation.
>
> Is that decided?

No but the full implementation seems like a hefty amount of work and I
don't think anyone's going to be working implementation for this project
full time. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Like mpt said, it's been discussed now for a couple years but there
hasn't been that much progress. A proof of concept would at least help
in getting the design nailed down. If there's manpower available to do
more than that, well that would be great. I too would love to see this
available in some form or other for the LTS.

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Old 10-10-2011, 09:59 AM
Matthew Paul Thomas
 
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Bryce Harrington wrote on 08/10/11 22:33:
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> On Sat, Oct 08, 2011 at 11:44:41AM -0400, Ted Gould wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 2011-10-07 at 15:39 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
>>>
>>> For Precise, I don't think we want to try to undertake
>>> implementation, but it would be nice to get the design more
>>> fleshed out and perhaps do a proof of concept implementation.
>>
>> Is that decided?
>
> No but the full implementation seems like a hefty amount of work
> and I don't think anyone's going to be working implementation for
> this project full time. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Nothing about it requires either full implementation all at once, or
full-time developers.

> Like mpt said, it's been discussed now for a couple years but there
> hasn't been that much progress.


I did not say that, and it is not the case. (And even if it was the
case, that would not be grounds for delaying it.)

> A proof of concept would at least help in getting the design
> nailed down. If there's manpower available to do more than that,
> well that would be great. I too would love to see this available
> in some form or other for the LTS.
>
> ...


Great. We are twelve years behind the competition on this; let's not
invent reasons to procrastinate further.

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Old 10-10-2011, 09:56 PM
Bryce Harrington
 
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On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:59:47AM +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> > Like mpt said, it's been discussed now for a couple years but there
> > hasn't been that much progress.
>
> I did not say that, and it is not the case. (And even if it was the
> case, that would not be grounds for delaying it.)

Ok, I stand corrected. I wasn't aware of any plans to undertake
implementation, but sounds like you have a much better handle on the
state of things than I. I'm happy to hear there are already efforts in
play, so will withdraw this topic proposal as it is not my intention to
cause any delays in this. I'll leave the driving to whomever's working
on it.

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