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Robert Ancell 03-01-2010 06:04 AM

Review of featured applications
 
I have installed all the featured applications
(https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Lucid/FeaturedApps) and reviewed
them for user experience.



The criteria from the specification are:

Is available in main or universe
Is a GUI app
Does not replace a default application
Does not replace another featured application
Is well designed for the task and robust

In addition, I looked for the following points:


The application has an icon and an appropriate name
The installation can be performed from the Application Center and
no additional configuration is required
After clicking on the application icon it must be simple to start
using the application.* I made an exception for applications that have
good documentation/access to tutorials (e.g. GIMP, Blender)
Bonus points for small download





These applications seemed really good candidates:


cheese (photobooth)
homebank (banking)
stellarium (planetarium)
gnome-do (fast keyboard based access)
deja-dup (backup)
eclipse (IDE)
gimp (bitmap graphics)
inkscape (vector graphics)
blender (3d graphics)
audacity (audio editor)
gufw (firewall tool)
frozen-bubble (arcade)
fretsonfire (Guitar hero clone)
pingus (Lemmings clone)
moovida (media center)
liferea (feed reader, lack of threading is awful though)
arista (media transcoder)
gtg (task management)
freeciv (turn based strategy)
supertuxcart (racing, but 100M download)
chromium-bsu (2d arcade space shooter)



I wanted to add one IDE to the list but it was very hard to choose
one.* It seemed the best candidates were monodevelop, geany, eclipse
and anjuta (omitting Eclipse because it is so big and as a "well known
IDE" people shouldn't have trouble finding it anyway).* I don't use an
IDE so I don't feel qualified to make a recommendation.* The important
factors seemed to be:


Ability to work with popular languages
Fast and reliable
Access to debugging tools



I also wanted to pick one FPS but they all seemed difficult to use.*
The problems seemed to be similar:


Huge downloads
Opening and choosing first menu (e.g. "single player") often
didn't work, there were no bots
Very slow load times



The following applications are good applications, but I either thought
their audience was too small to replace the above applications or they
had bugs/configuration that made them difficult to use "out of the
box".* These are loosely ordered best to worst - anyone who is familiar
please comment on how good you think these are.


gramps (genealogy, niche?)
teeworlds (2d multiplayer shooter, bit laggy)
glob2 (isometric strategy game, doesn't seem to install data
correctly)
openarena (FPS, bots don't work)


imagination (DVD creator, niche?)
virtualbox-ose (virtual machine, niche)
recordmydesktop (desktop recorder, niche)
wesnoth (complete, but niche?)
gftp (FTP client, niche?)
filezilla (FTP client, niche?)
jokosher (multi-track studio, crashes on startup)
scribus (DTP, QT)
hugin (photo-stitcher, niche?)
glchess (chess, pimping my own app, pychess instead?)
parcellite (clipboard manager, niche?)
rednotebook (desktop notebook, dupe of tomboy?)
dia (diagramming, no compelling advantage over OO)
gaikosaurus (thesarus, no icon)
wammu (phone manager, niche?)
armagetronad (tron game, gameplay limited, quickly became boring)
celestia-gnome (universe browser, more scope than stellarium but
harder to use and more niche?)
flightgear (flight simulator, *huge* download, play very
open-ended.* Felt like it needed "missions" to play)
extremetuxracer (butchered Tux racer, no clear levels)
yofrankie (3d platform, no clear objectives - boring!)
scorched3d (3d tank game, too complex)
uqm (arcade game, lots of gameplay but old)
beneath-a-steel-sky (adventure game, too old?)
flight-of-the-amazon-queen (adventure game, too old?)
eclipse (IDE, overkill, will be searched for anyway?)
wxmaxima (too complex, niche?)
saurbraten (FPS, rendering errors)
warsow (FPS, slow, first single player didn't work, didn't know
my resolution)



Applications I thought failed the "out of the box" test:


mythtv (media center, too big, complex and hard to install -
needed system-wide MySQL installation and service)
pioneers (turn based strategy, too hard to set up)
simutrans (transport simulator, too old)
spring-mod-kernelpanic (RTS, too hard to set up)
gnucash (accounting, too complex)
amule (file sharing, file sharing too dodgy)
nemiver (debugger, nice, but just stick with an IDE)
easytag (MP3 tagger, too niche)
bzr-explorer (BZR gui, niche, just stick to an IDE)
pychess (chess, fails to start)
miro (media player, don't see the value over totem+websites)
torcs (racing, too slow)
compizconfig-settings-manager (Compix settings, too tweaky,
target audience will find it anyway)
wine (Windows emulation, haven't had good results with it)
ardour (audio editing, too complex, issues with audio setup)





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Bryce Harrington 03-01-2010 06:48 AM

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On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 06:04:13PM +1100, Robert Ancell wrote:
> The criteria from the specification are:
>
> * Is available in main or universe

Quick question, for applications that make the featured apps list, do
they need to get promoted to main?

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Didier Roche 03-01-2010 12:02 PM

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On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Robert Ancell
<robert.ancell@canonical.com> wrote:
>
> These applications seemed really good candidates:
>
> cheese (photobooth)
> homebank (banking)
> stellarium (planetarium)
> gnome-do (fast keyboard based access)
> deja-dup (backup)
> eclipse (IDE)
> gimp (bitmap graphics)
> inkscape (vector graphics)
> blender (3d graphics)
> audacity (audio editor)
> gufw (firewall tool)
> frozen-bubble (arcade)
> fretsonfire (Guitar hero clone)
> pingus (Lemmings clone)
> moovida (media center)
> liferea (feed reader, lack of threading is awful though)
> arista (media transcoder)
> gtg (task management)
> freeciv (turn based strategy)
> supertuxcart (racing, but 100M download)
> chromium-bsu (2d arcade space shooter)

apart from the IDE discussion below, here is my feedback on the list:
- agree at 95% :)
- I didn't know at all moovida, it seems to be pretty good (see the
tabular, even if it's in French, should be self-explanatory:
http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/media_center). I think the lack of browser
support compared to the very popular mythtv is ok on a desktop, so
fine (not on a media center server).
- if you put some kind of gnome-do there for fast keyboard access, I
think their should be some complaints about "why gnome-do and not a
dock?". So we should maybe include on of both kind or none?

>
> I wanted to add one IDE to the list but it was very hard to choose one. It
> seemed the best candidates were monodevelop, geany, eclipse and anjuta
> (omitting Eclipse because it is so big and as a "well known IDE" people
> shouldn't have trouble finding it anyway). I don't use an IDE so I don't
> feel qualified to make a recommendation. The important factors seemed to
> be:
>
> Ability to work with popular languages
> Fast and reliable
> Access to debugging tools

The issue for anjuta is the lack of real support for python, which is
one of the favorite language we advise in Ubuntu. geany maybe?

>
> I also wanted to pick one FPS but they all seemed difficult to use. The
> problems seemed to be similar:
>
> Huge downloads
> Opening and choosing first menu (e.g. "single player") often didn't work,
> there were no bots
> Very slow load times

Right, from my research (1 year and half ago), we don't have any FPS
with bots by default. We should download some bots and install them
manually we don't find the Featured goal. There are a lot of very good
multiplayer FPS (even if I'm not fan of those games), so, if we want
to include one of them, I'll go for Nexuiz or Tremulous.

>
> The following applications are good applications, but I either thought their
> audience was too small to replace the above applications or they had
> bugs/configuration that made them difficult to use "out of the box". These
> are loosely ordered best to worst - anyone who is familiar please comment on
> how good you think these are.
>

I've just commented where I think it was needed. Lack of comment means
"I agree" ;)

> gramps (genealogy, niche?)
right niche, but the reference on GNU/Linux. It just depends how we
want the list to be long to :)

> teeworlds (2d multiplayer shooter, bit laggy)
> glob2 (isometric strategy game, doesn't seem to install data correctly)
> openarena (FPS, bots don't work)
> imagination (DVD creator, niche?)
> virtualbox-ose (virtual machine, niche)

> recordmydesktop (desktop recorder, niche)
-> I don't agree. A lot of people asked for "I want to record my
desktop and send a video". I think this kind of apps should be
represented

> wesnoth (complete, but niche?)
> gftp (FTP client, niche?)
> filezilla (FTP client, niche?)
> jokosher (multi-track studio, crashes on startup)
> scribus (DTP, QT)

> hugin (photo-stitcher, niche?)
-> very good app for diaporama creation for instance. But it's
difficult to see how it works the first time as the GUI isn't great.
That's another thing that people wants to do when they take picture,
create diaporama (we have a bunch of questions in the french forum
about that)., but I'm not sure as well that there is one app which
enables that easily

> glchess (chess, pimping my own app, pychess instead?)
> parcellite (clipboard manager, niche?)
> rednotebook (desktop notebook, dupe of tomboy?)
> dia (diagramming, no compelling advantage over OO)
There are a lot of avantages for electronic schemes in particular. But
niche to mee.

> gaikosaurus (thesarus, no icon)
> wammu (phone manager, niche?)
> armagetronad (tron game, gameplay limited, quickly became boring)
> celestia-gnome (universe browser, more scope than stellarium but harder to
> use and more niche?)
> flightgear (flight simulator, *huge* download, play very open-ended. Felt
> like it needed "missions" to play)
> extremetuxracer (butchered Tux racer, no clear levels)

> yofrankie (3d platform, no clear objectives - boring!)

This game has been pretty popular when it was out and I think we
should really include it in the first link. For those not aware, it's
the game from the blender fundation which released this game some
weeks after "big buck bunny". The game is short, but it shows that you
can do some nice 3D effects on GNU/Linux

> scorched3d (3d tank game, too complex)
> uqm (arcade game, lots of gameplay but old)
> beneath-a-steel-sky (adventure game, too old?)
> flight-of-the-amazon-queen (adventure game, too old?)
> eclipse (IDE, overkill, will be searched for anyway?)
> wxmaxima (too complex, niche?)
> saurbraten (FPS, rendering errors)
> warsow (FPS, slow, first single player didn't work, didn't know my
> resolution)
>
> Applications I thought failed the "out of the box" test:
>
> mythtv (media center, too big, complex and hard to install - needed
> system-wide MySQL installation and service)
> pioneers (turn based strategy, too hard to set up)
> simutrans (transport simulator, too old)
> spring-mod-kernelpanic (RTS, too hard to set up)

> gnucash (accounting, too complex)
-> gnucash is more company oriented.

> amule (file sharing, file sharing too dodgy)

-> if you look for "emule" in the software-center, you find it in
first place. So, I think people looking for it will find it. No need
for inclusion :)

> nemiver (debugger, nice, but just stick with an IDE)
> easytag (MP3 tagger, too niche)
> bzr-explorer (BZR gui, niche, just stick to an IDE)
> pychess (chess, fails to start)

> miro (media player, don't see the value over totem+websites)
It's approximately the same than if you say "I don't see the added
value to an RSS reader VS firefox + going over all my blogs/planet". I
completely disagree for that one.

> torcs (racing, too slow)
> compizconfig-settings-manager (Compix settings, too tweaky, target audience
> will find it anyway)
> wine (Windows emulation, haven't had good results with it)
> ardour (audio editing, too complex, issues with audio setup)

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Rick Spencer 03-01-2010 12:22 PM

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On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 14:02 +0100, Didier Roche wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Robert Ancell
> <robert.ancell@canonical.com> wrote:

> >
> > I wanted to add one IDE to the list but it was very hard to choose one. It
> > seemed the best candidates were monodevelop, geany, eclipse and anjuta
> > (omitting Eclipse because it is so big and as a "well known IDE" people
> > shouldn't have trouble finding it anyway). I don't use an IDE so I don't
> > feel qualified to make a recommendation. The important factors seemed to
> > be:
> >
> > Ability to work with popular languages
> > Fast and reliable
> > Access to debugging tools
>
> The issue for anjuta is the lack of real support for python, which is
> one of the favorite language we advise in Ubuntu. geany maybe?
>
I propose we don't include an IDE. I don't think any fit the criteria
really well.

> >
> > I also wanted to pick one FPS but they all seemed difficult to use. The
> > problems seemed to be similar:
> >
> > Huge downloads
> > Opening and choosing first menu (e.g. "single player") often didn't work,
> > there were no bots
> > Very slow load times
>
> Right, from my research (1 year and half ago), we don't have any FPS
> with bots by default. We should download some bots and install them
> manually we don't find the Featured goal. There are a lot of very good
> multiplayer FPS (even if I'm not fan of those games), so, if we want
> to include one of them, I'll go for Nexuiz or Tremulous.
What about Saurbraten? That seems to work well and has a good single
player mode. Though perhaps the download is a bit large?

Cheers, Rick


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Reinhard Tartler 03-01-2010 12:30 PM

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On Mo, Mär 01, 2010 at 14:22:24 (CET), Rick Spencer wrote:

>> Right, from my research (1 year and half ago), we don't have any FPS
>> with bots by default. We should download some bots and install them
>> manually we don't find the Featured goal. There are a lot of very good
>> multiplayer FPS (even if I'm not fan of those games), so, if we want
>> to include one of them, I'll go for Nexuiz or Tremulous.
> What about Saurbraten? That seems to work well and has a good single
> player mode. Though perhaps the download is a bit large?

sauerbraten has only its engine under a free license, the artwork is
not. Nexuiz is 100% free software, including graphics and sound artwork.

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Ted Gould 03-01-2010 02:03 PM

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On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 18:04 +1100, Robert Ancell wrote:


I also wanted to pick one FPS but they all seemed difficult to use.* The problems seemed to be similar:

Huge downloads
Opening and choosing first menu (e.g. "single player") often didn't work, there were no bots
Very slow load times




Maybe I'm showing my age, but when I was a kid bzflag was cool.... we used to play it on the SGIs...* it doesn't have bots but there is generally always someone on a bzflag server somewhere.



Looking through the rest of the list, it makes me feel like we need some other category than just featured.* We need a way to raise the bar of some apps here that are really good, and that we want people to find, but yet aren't really reasonable for the majority users.



Heh, I'm probably requesting the next version of software center.



******* --Ted





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Luca Falavigna 03-01-2010 07:17 PM

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Il giorno Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:02:20 +0100
Didier Roche <didrocks@ubuntu.com> ha scritto:
> - if you put some kind of gnome-do there for fast keyboard access, I
> think their should be some complaints about "why gnome-do and not a
> dock?". So we should maybe include on of both kind or none?

Also, kupfer deserves a mention.

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Robert Ancell 03-01-2010 09:24 PM

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>>> I also wanted to pick one FPS but they all seemed difficult to use. The
>>> problems seemed to be similar:
>>>
>>> Huge downloads
>>> Opening and choosing first menu (e.g. "single player") often didn't work,
>>> there were no bots
>>> Very slow load times
>>>
>> Right, from my research (1 year and half ago), we don't have any FPS
>> with bots by default. We should download some bots and install them
>> manually we don't find the Featured goal. There are a lot of very good
>> multiplayer FPS (even if I'm not fan of those games), so, if we want
>> to include one of them, I'll go for Nexuiz or Tremulous.
>>
> What about Saurbraten? That seems to work well and has a good single
> player mode. Though perhaps the download is a bit large
I installed Saurbraten and the ground didn't render.

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Robert Ancell 03-01-2010 09:26 PM

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On 01/03/10 18:48, Bryce Harrington wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 06:04:13PM +1100, Robert Ancell wrote:
>
>> The criteria from the specification are:
>>
>> * Is available in main or universe
>>
> Quick question, for applications that make the featured apps list, do
> they need to get promoted to main?
>
> Bryce
>
>
I assumed main and universe. What happens in a default install if
universe is not enabled? Does the list only show the packages that are
in main? Do we need a button/hint in the featured section to enable
universe?

We don't want to promote to main because we're not going to maintain the
apps in this list; they're just the "best of the best".

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Robert Ancell 03-01-2010 09:40 PM

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> - I didn't know at all moovida, it seems to be pretty good (see the
> tabular, even if it's in French, should be self-explanatory:
> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/media_center). I think the lack of browser
> support compared to the very popular mythtv is ok on a desktop, so
> fine (not on a media center server).
>
I'm really impressed how good Moovida is now. It always used to be
really buggy (probably due to being in the early days of clutter) but it
ran really reliably when I tried it. And it's really lightweight
compared to the others.
> - if you put some kind of gnome-do there for fast keyboard access, I
> think their should be some complaints about "why gnome-do and not a
> dock?". So we should maybe include on of both kind or none?
>
I don't use these tools so I don't know. GNOME Do is talked about a lot
though.
>> I also wanted to pick one FPS but they all seemed difficult to use. The
>> problems seemed to be similar:
>>
>> Huge downloads
>> Opening and choosing first menu (e.g. "single player") often didn't work,
>> there were no bots
>> Very slow load times
>>
> Right, from my research (1 year and half ago), we don't have any FPS
> with bots by default. We should download some bots and install them
> manually we don't find the Featured goal. There are a lot of very good
> multiplayer FPS (even if I'm not fan of those games), so, if we want
> to include one of them, I'll go for Nexuiz or Tremulous.
>
>
Haven't tried tremulous, will install it. The thing that really
dissapointed me about a lot of these FPSs was they all seem to be Quake
3 but all optimised for network play. The other menu options don't seem
to be well finished/working which makes them feel incomplete.
>> gramps (genealogy, niche?)
>>
> right niche, but the reference on GNU/Linux. It just depends how we
> want the list to be long to :)
>
>
Sure. It was hovering at the top of the B-list for me :)
>> yofrankie (3d platform, no clear objectives - boring!)
>>
> This game has been pretty popular when it was out and I think we
> should really include it in the first link. For those not aware, it's
> the game from the blender fundation which released this game some
> weeks after "big buck bunny". The game is short, but it shows that you
> can do some nice 3D effects on GNU/Linux
>
>
I was really disappointed when I tried it! I'd never got it working due
to the 3D requirement (yay now for Lucid graphics drivers!) but my
impressions were:
Ran it - really professional looking menu, nice starting world to choose
which level. Walk into first level. Not obvious what to do. Walk
around a bit, nowhere much to go, just a few creatures running around
which you can kill, but no reason why to do. Some textures seem to be
missing. It feels like it has all the graphics but no gameplay. I
think Yo Frankie 2 is what we want...
>> miro (media player, don't see the value over totem+websites)
>>
> It's approximately the same than if you say "I don't see the added
> value to an RSS reader VS firefox + going over all my blogs/planet". I
> completely disagree for that one.
>
>
Is it applicable to a wide audience?


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