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Old 03-26-2010, 02:35 AM
Shane Fagan
 
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On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 03:27 +0000, Arand Nash wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:44 AM, Krzysztof Klimonda
> <kklimonda@syntaxhighlighted.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 02:16 +0000, Arand Nash wrote:
> > > I've tested both openarena and nexuiz.
> > What about Warsow? I've found it the most compelling from all three
> > games. It has a nice graphics and some nice concepts. I'm not sure if it
> > has bots though.
> >
>
> Tested Warsow just now, and it does indeed have boots, however in the
> starting screen of "local game" you will have to put in the number of
> bots in the settings yourself.
> Also, the single-player is mainly Skirmish (pick a level, pick some
> bots), so I would assume not as straightforward as that of OA or NX.
> It has a very nice audio/demo tutorial though.
>
I dont think we can suggest Warsow because its non free software. I
think we should look at everything else first then if all the rest have
been ruled out then we can look at Warsow.

-Fagan


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Old 03-26-2010, 02:42 AM
Rick Spencer
 
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On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 03:32 +0000, Shane Fagan wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 14:22 +1100, Robert Ancell wrote:
> > On 26/03/10 14:05, Shane Fagan wrote:
> > >> - Remove Eclipse
> > >> - Huge download
> > >> - Only supports Java out of the box
> > >> - The Eclipse brand is strong enough that it doesn't need promoting
> > >>
> > > Im going to go out on the limb and suggest we replace it with
> > > Monodevelop it supports mono,java,python,vala....etc although require
> > > the user to install the support for each language.
> > >
> > My review of all the supplied IDEs showed MonoDevelop to appear to be
> > the easiest to use, but:
> > - I've never used an IDE for any significant period of time
> > - I didn't use any of the proposed IDEs to do more that write a hello
> > world program.
> >
> > We need to consider what sort of user clicks on featured applications
> > and which users would benefit from the suggested IDE.
> > My experience of IDE users is:
> > - They're generally passionate users who have a preferred IDE (much
> > like text editors for non-IDE programmers). So by suggesting an IDE
> > we're targeting people who haven't already chosen an IDE.
> > - IDEs tend be a part of a developer package. If we suggest
> > MonoDevelop will users link well to documentation and the developer
> > community? Or will it just be a fancy text editor/compiler?
> >
> > Saying it in a simpler way:
> > - Will an IDE encourage people to learn programming?
> > - Will opportunistic developers be able to use it to complete their
> > desired project?
> > - Will experienced developers find the suggested IDE helpful or will
> > they already use their existing IDE/do the research themselves?
> >
> >
> Well no it wouldnt encourage people to learn programming.
> Hmmm I dont think there is any good python IDE for the opportunistic
> developer.
> I dont think many experienced developers use IDEs too much. The ones I
> know in development companies use eclipse (or different flavors of
> eclipse) or text editors. I use netbeans in college but for python I use
> gedit.
Sorry Fagan, but this is really really wrong. Almost all developers use
Visual Studio. The rest use Eclipse or such. A few don't use IDES.

However, you are also really really right. We should make Ubuntu it's
own IDE. This is an old unix concept that I would like us to embrace and
bring to other programmers, new or IDE dependent.

Cheers, Rick



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Old 03-26-2010, 02:45 AM
Christopher James Halse Rogers
 
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On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 03:32 +0000, Shane Fagan wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 14:22 +1100, Robert Ancell wrote:
> > On 26/03/10 14:05, Shane Fagan wrote:
> > >> - Remove Eclipse
> > >> - Huge download
> > >> - Only supports Java out of the box
> > >> - The Eclipse brand is strong enough that it doesn't need promoting
> > >>
> > > Im going to go out on the limb and suggest we replace it with
> > > Monodevelop it supports mono,java,python,vala....etc although require
> > > the user to install the support for each language.
> > >
> > My review of all the supplied IDEs showed MonoDevelop to appear to be
> > the easiest to use, but:
> > - I've never used an IDE for any significant period of time
> > - I didn't use any of the proposed IDEs to do more that write a hello
> > world program.
> >
> > We need to consider what sort of user clicks on featured applications
> > and which users would benefit from the suggested IDE.
> > My experience of IDE users is:
> > - They're generally passionate users who have a preferred IDE (much
> > like text editors for non-IDE programmers). So by suggesting an IDE
> > we're targeting people who haven't already chosen an IDE.
> > - IDEs tend be a part of a developer package. If we suggest
> > MonoDevelop will users link well to documentation and the developer
> > community? Or will it just be a fancy text editor/compiler?
> >
> > Saying it in a simpler way:
> > - Will an IDE encourage people to learn programming?
> > - Will opportunistic developers be able to use it to complete their
> > desired project?
> > - Will experienced developers find the suggested IDE helpful or will
> > they already use their existing IDE/do the research themselves?
> >
> >
> Well no it wouldnt encourage people to learn programming.
> Hmmm I dont think there is any good python IDE for the opportunistic
> developer.
> I dont think many experienced developers use IDEs too much. The ones I
> know in development companies use eclipse (or different flavors of
> eclipse) or text editors. I use netbeans in college but for python I use
> gedit.

I think Python (and dynamic languages in general) are just really hard
to do good IDEs for, for roughly the same reason that it's hard to do
static fault analysis, at least in general. In some ways I think it's a
semi-deliberate trade-off - python is much easier to write, but needs to
*be* written. In the same way that python much easier to unittest, but
needs to be unittested (more than languages with a static type system,
compilers, etc).

IDEs with decent code completion are a joy to work in. I'd be much less
productive hacking on C# code in emacs than in MonoDevelop.
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Old 03-26-2010, 05:29 AM
Bryce Harrington
 
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On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 08:42:04PM -0700, Rick Spencer wrote:
> > > Saying it in a simpler way:
> > > - Will an IDE encourage people to learn programming?
> > > - Will opportunistic developers be able to use it to complete their
> > > desired project?
> > > - Will experienced developers find the suggested IDE helpful or will
> > > they already use their existing IDE/do the research themselves?
> > >
> > Well no it wouldnt encourage people to learn programming.
> > Hmmm I dont think there is any good python IDE for the opportunistic
> > developer.
> > I dont think many experienced developers use IDEs too much. The ones I
> > know in development companies use eclipse (or different flavors of
> > eclipse) or text editors. I use netbeans in college but for python I use
> > gedit.
> Sorry Fagan, but this is really really wrong. Almost all developers use
> Visual Studio. The rest use Eclipse or such. A few don't use IDES.
>
> However, you are also really really right. We should make Ubuntu it's
> own IDE. This is an old unix concept that I would like us to embrace and
> bring to other programmers, new or IDE dependent.

The neatest thing about the web when it came out was that mosaic put a
"View Source" button right into the browser. I'd daresay that little
thing got gobs of people going down the path of becoming programmers.

I've always thought that it would be slick if every desktop application
included a button in its menu to pop up its sourcecode in an IDE or
Ground Control or whatever.

Bryce


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