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Old 03-01-2010, 10:28 PM
Bryce Harrington
 
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On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:40:46AM +1100, Robert Ancell wrote:
> Sure. It was hovering at the top of the B-list for me
> >> yofrankie (3d platform, no clear objectives - boring!)
> >>
> > This game has been pretty popular when it was out and I think we
> > should really include it in the first link. For those not aware, it's
> > the game from the blender fundation which released this game some
> > weeks after "big buck bunny". The game is short, but it shows that you
> > can do some nice 3D effects on GNU/Linux
> >
> >
> I was really disappointed when I tried it! I'd never got it working due
> to the 3D requirement (yay now for Lucid graphics drivers!) but my

For evaluation of 3D games, it would probably be wise to specify what
set of drivers you expect to see good rendering results in.

> impressions were:
> Ran it - really professional looking menu, nice starting world to choose
> which level. Walk into first level. Not obvious what to do. Walk
> around a bit, nowhere much to go, just a few creatures running around
> which you can kill, but no reason why to do. Some textures seem to be
> missing. It feels like it has all the graphics but no gameplay. I
> think Yo Frankie 2 is what we want...
> >> miro (media player, don't see the value over totem+websites)
> >>
> > It's approximately the same than if you say "I don't see the added
> > value to an RSS reader VS firefox + going over all my blogs/planet". I
> > completely disagree for that one.
> >
> >
> Is it applicable to a wide audience?

I've found miro handy for viewing various free content like Ted talks,
BBC/PBS, Hulu, Youtube, etc. I can't really use mythtv (due to digital
cable), so miro was what I settled on.

I tried to set my dad up with it, but he's really only interested in
Hulu and we had some issues with flash so he stuck with firefox for it.
(I'm blaming video drivers rather than miro, as it's been problem-free
on my Intel box.)

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Old 03-01-2010, 11:30 PM
Robert Ancell
 
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On 02/03/10 10:28, Bryce Harrington wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:40:46AM +1100, Robert Ancell wrote:
>
>> Sure. It was hovering at the top of the B-list for me
>>
>>>> yofrankie (3d platform, no clear objectives - boring!)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> This game has been pretty popular when it was out and I think we
>>> should really include it in the first link. For those not aware, it's
>>> the game from the blender fundation which released this game some
>>> weeks after "big buck bunny". The game is short, but it shows that you
>>> can do some nice 3D effects on GNU/Linux
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I was really disappointed when I tried it! I'd never got it working due
>> to the 3D requirement (yay now for Lucid graphics drivers!) but my
>>
> For evaluation of 3D games, it would probably be wise to specify what
> set of drivers you expect to see good rendering results in.
>
>
I'm picking my laptop as a relatively standard system. It's a mid-range
recent model Dell laptop running the default Lucid drivers. Most OpenGL
applications work fine. (Any 3D application that can't run on 90% of
systems out there with standard drivers and 3D support would be a bad
choice in my opinion).
>> impressions were:
>> Ran it - really professional looking menu, nice starting world to choose
>> which level. Walk into first level. Not obvious what to do. Walk
>> around a bit, nowhere much to go, just a few creatures running around
>> which you can kill, but no reason why to do. Some textures seem to be
>> missing. It feels like it has all the graphics but no gameplay. I
>> think Yo Frankie 2 is what we want...
>>
>>>> miro (media player, don't see the value over totem+websites)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It's approximately the same than if you say "I don't see the added
>>> value to an RSS reader VS firefox + going over all my blogs/planet". I
>>> completely disagree for that one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Is it applicable to a wide audience?
>>
> I've found miro handy for viewing various free content like Ted talks,
> BBC/PBS, Hulu, Youtube, etc. I can't really use mythtv (due to digital
> cable), so miro was what I settled on.
>
> I tried to set my dad up with it, but he's really only interested in
> Hulu and we had some issues with flash so he stuck with firefox for it.
> (I'm blaming video drivers rather than miro, as it's been problem-free
> on my Intel box.)
>
>
Note that Moovida allows you to watch Ted and YouTube (I'd expect the
others will become available in the future through the plugins). The
big/novel feature in Miro seemed to be the queuing of large file
downloads as opposed to streaming and the subscriptions.

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Old 03-04-2010, 05:48 PM
Jeremy Bicha
 
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* I recommend Marble, a desktop globe that is part of KDE's Education
Project. There is a basic offline map, but the online OpenStreetMap
map view is especially cool.

It is worth mentioning that the Software Center is installed by
default for Kubuntu also, so there is no need to exclude KDE best-of
applications in my opinion.

* I also recommend Lernid. Although relatively new, it's designed to
be easier to use for taking part in #ubuntu-classroom sessions.

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Old 03-06-2010, 01:01 AM
Robert Ancell
 
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That raises a good point - should the list be the same in Ubuntu and
Kubuntu? Note that the list is stored in the software-center package
and could be different for each distribution.

KDE applications have not been excluded but it is worth noticing the
installation and integration experience is important. And this
experience will be different for each distro.

Jeremy, could you please update the Wiki page with any suggestions:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Lucid/FeaturedApps

--Robert

On 05/03/10 05:48, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> * I recommend Marble, a desktop globe that is part of KDE's Education
> Project. There is a basic offline map, but the online OpenStreetMap
> map view is especially cool.
>
> It is worth mentioning that the Software Center is installed by
> default for Kubuntu also, so there is no need to exclude KDE best-of
> applications in my opinion.
>
> * I also recommend Lernid. Although relatively new, it's designed to
> be easier to use for taking part in #ubuntu-classroom sessions.
>
> Jeremy Bicha
>
>


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Old 03-06-2010, 03:58 PM
Rick Spencer
 
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If a KDE app works great on Ubuntu and meets the goals and guidelines
laid out, then it is fine to include. However, for Lucid, "Featured"
will focus on Ubuntu, and not Kubuntu or other *buntus. We should
discuss at UDS if there is some way to extend the notion to Kubuntu,
Edubuntu, etc...

Cheers, Rick

On Sat, 2010-03-06 at 13:01 +1100, Robert Ancell wrote:
> That raises a good point - should the list be the same in Ubuntu and
> Kubuntu? Note that the list is stored in the software-center package
> and could be different for each distribution.
>
> KDE applications have not been excluded but it is worth noticing the
> installation and integration experience is important. And this
> experience will be different for each distro.
>
> Jeremy, could you please update the Wiki page with any suggestions:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Lucid/FeaturedApps
>
> --Robert
>
> On 05/03/10 05:48, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
> > * I recommend Marble, a desktop globe that is part of KDE's Education
> > Project. There is a basic offline map, but the online OpenStreetMap
> > map view is especially cool.
> >
> > It is worth mentioning that the Software Center is installed by
> > default for Kubuntu also, so there is no need to exclude KDE best-of
> > applications in my opinion.
> >
> > * I also recommend Lernid. Although relatively new, it's designed to
> > be easier to use for taking part in #ubuntu-classroom sessions.
> >
> > Jeremy Bicha
> >
> >
>
>



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Old 03-06-2010, 04:06 PM
Sense Hofstede
 
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Hello,

I think that not including Battle for Wesnoth would be a shame. This
is a very complete game with a lot of available content and it is
translated into many languages and you can even download extra
scenarios! Moreover, Wesnoth starts with a tutorial game that explains
the basics of the game mechanics in an easily understandable way.

Although not everyone might be interested in an RTS game, the same
applies to FPS games. It is good to show that there is a wide variety
of good and complete games available for Linux.

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Old 03-08-2010, 01:32 AM
Jan Claeys
 
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Op maandag 01-03-2010 om 18:04 uur [tijdzone +1100], schreef Robert
Ancell:
> The criteria from the specification are:
>
> * Is available in main or universe
> * Is a GUI app
> * Does not replace a default application
> * Does not replace another featured application
> * Is well designed for the task and robust
>
> In addition, I looked for the following points:
>
> * The application has an icon and an appropriate name
> * The installation can be performed from the Application Center and
> no additional configuration is required
> * After clicking on the application icon it must be simple to start
> using the application. I made an exception for applications that
> have good documentation/access to tutorials (e.g. GIMP, Blender)
> * Bonus points for small download

> These applications seemed really good candidates:
[snip]

I think you are missing TuxPaint here (including the default packages
with plugins & stamps, even if the stamps are a quite big package, they
make TuxPaint a lot more interesting).

If it weren't for TuxPaint, my little nieces (4-6yo) probably won't use
Ubuntu (and of course I "forgot" to tell them about the Windows
version ).

I think this is really one of the most undervalued open source
applications for kids (or maybe not, as it's already in main).


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Old 03-09-2010, 02:13 PM
Martin Pitt
 
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Sense Hofstede [2010-03-06 18:06 +0100]:
> I think that not including Battle for Wesnoth would be a shame. This
> is a very complete game with a lot of available content and it is
> translated into many languages and you can even download extra
> scenarios! Moreover, Wesnoth starts with a tutorial game that explains
> the basics of the game mechanics in an easily understandable way.

FWIW, a big +1 on wesnoth. It's a prime example of a great game for
Linux, in all of the freedom/graphics/fun dimensions.

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Old 03-26-2010, 01:16 AM
Arand Nash
 
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On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 18:04 +1100, Robert Ancell wrote:

> I also wanted to pick one FPS but they all seemed difficult to use.
> The problems seemed to be similar:
> * Huge downloads
> * Opening and choosing first menu (e.g. "single player") often
> didn't work, there were no bots
> * Very slow load times
> (...)

I've tested both openarena and nexuiz.
And the only issue there is the indeed huge downloads (oa ~300MB nx ~900MB)
They are in my opinion very straigtforward, 2-3 clicks and you're in a
singleplayer game with fully functional bots.
Both games also has a singleplayer "campaign" in the form of consecutive
unlockable skirmish-levels.

However, what might speak against them is the ~18 rating that any of
these games would have if sold in stores, due to their violent and
meatpieces-flying-gory nature.

> I installed Saurbraten and the ground didn't render.

Sauerbraten has a very unfinished touch yes, which probably makes it
unsuitable for featuring. But I have ran it countless times without
seeing that issue.


For simple shoot-em-ups there is several games by Kenta Cho (nice search
term for USC) that might be worth a look, many are still dependent on 3D
drivers like chromium-bsu, but in my experience they seem vaguely
playable without them, whereas chromium-bsu just turns into sirup.

I've added tumiki-fighters to the wiki, and I would propose this as a
replacement for chromium-bsu, since it seems to run very well on my
no-3D nouveau drivers.
One potential problem with these games is that they use the somewhat
unorthodox z-key as the fire-key, also, the homepage describes them as
"games for windows", but those are minor things I guess.


When it comes to Wine, if it is going to be mentioned on the installer
slideshow:
https://code.launchpad.net/~lielft/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/games-slide/+merge/15545

does it not then make sense to have it in the featured section?
(I did even make a comment on the merge about the possibly overly
optimistic tone taken when describing Wine there...)

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Old 03-26-2010, 01:24 AM
Robert Ancell
 
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On 26/03/10 13:16, Arand Nash wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 18:04 +1100, Robert Ancell wrote:
>
>> I also wanted to pick one FPS but they all seemed difficult to use.
>> The problems seemed to be similar:
>> * Huge downloads
>> * Opening and choosing first menu (e.g. "single player") often
>> didn't work, there were no bots
>> * Very slow load times
>> (...)
>
> I've tested both openarena and nexuiz.
> And the only issue there is the indeed huge downloads (oa ~300MB nx
> ~900MB)
> They are in my opinion very straigtforward, 2-3 clicks and you're in a
> singleplayer game with fully functional bots.
> Both games also has a singleplayer "campaign" in the form of consecutive
> unlockable skirmish-levels.
Interesting. Did you install them through the software center? Did you
install any additional packages?
>
> However, what might speak against them is the ~18 rating that any of
> these games would have if sold in stores, due to their violent and
> meatpieces-flying-gory nature.
I'd agree.
>
>> I installed Saurbraten and the ground didn't render.
>
> Sauerbraten has a very unfinished touch yes, which probably makes it
> unsuitable for featuring. But I have ran it countless times without
> seeing that issue.
>
It's probably a driver issue but I have a fairly standard Dell Studio
laptop with an ATI card so I wouldn't expect any major issues. (I have
been running alpha software so it may work for me in Lucid final).
>
> For simple shoot-em-ups there is several games by Kenta Cho (nice search
> term for USC) that might be worth a look, many are still dependent on 3D
> drivers like chromium-bsu, but in my experience they seem vaguely
> playable without them, whereas chromium-bsu just turns into sirup.
>
> I've added tumiki-fighters to the wiki, and I would propose this as a
> replacement for chromium-bsu, since it seems to run very well on my
> no-3D nouveau drivers.
> One potential problem with these games is that they use the somewhat
> unorthodox z-key as the fire-key, also, the homepage describes them as
> "games for windows", but those are minor things I guess.
>
Fun game, just tried it out! I was a little confused on the keys when
starting but after mashing the keyboard could play it fine.
>
> When it comes to Wine, if it is going to be mentioned on the installer
> slideshow:
> https://code.launchpad.net/~lielft/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/games-slide/+merge/15545
>
> does it not then make sense to have it in the featured section?
> (I did even make a comment on the merge about the possibly overly
> optimistic tone taken when describing Wine there...)
It wouldn't work in the featured section as it stands as we really want
the one-click experience. I personally have never got wine to work
reliably and I cringe when people propose it as a solution
>
> - Arand
>


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