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Old 01-15-2009, 05:45 PM
Dereck
 
Default Please Comment: Proposal to change the name of Applications -> Add/Remove...

+1

I think that would also bring down the 'fear' level that some windows users have of "installing" or "downloading" on their computers.

"Software Library" reflects what it really is IMHO.


~Dereck


On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Rick Spencer <rick.spencer@canonical.com> wrote:

All -



A proposal has been put forward to change the name of the

"Add/Remove..." menu item.



Problem:

Platforms such as iPhone and Android have given users the expectation

that there is a "place" that they can to in order to install new

software. Ubuntu has good functionality for this, but the name

"Add/Remove..." is not in line with users' expectations because it isn't

a "place".



Solution:

Change the name of "Add/Remove..." to "Software Library".



Thoughts?



Cheers, Rick



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Old 01-15-2009, 05:46 PM
Aaron Toponce
 
Default Please Comment: Proposal to change the name of Applications -> Add/Remove...

Rick Spencer wrote:
> Problem:
> Platforms such as iPhone and Android have given users the expectation
> that there is a "place" that they can to in order to install new
> software. Ubuntu has good functionality for this, but the name
> "Add/Remove..." is not in line with users' expectations because it isn't
> a "place".

Except those who are coming from Windows, which is a larger userbase
than those coming from the iPhone or Android markets, are used to the
Add/Remove programs in the Control Panel.

Also, keeping it "Add/Remove" shows the user can do an action to the
system. When the user thinks of a place, generally it will be a
folder/directory or a site on the web (which is where the "place" is
coming into play on the iPhone/Andriod).

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Old 01-15-2009, 05:53 PM
Oliver Grawert
 
Default Please Comment: Proposal to change the name of Applications -> Add/Remove...

hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 15.01.2009, 10:29 -0800 schrieb Rick Spencer:
> All -
>
> A proposal has been put forward to change the name of the
> "Add/Remove..." menu item.
>
can you elaborate what the reason for this is ?

imho this feature (and its naming as well as its design) is one of the
most powerful UIs we have in ubuntu.

Add/Remove was initially designed to refer to the menu and intrestingly
my completely computer illiterate 75 year old mother instantly
understands that she can add and remove applications to/from her menu
with it, it reflects the menu in so many places that she really gets the
purpose ...

i doubt she would have that thorough understanding from an opaque name
like "software library"

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Old 01-15-2009, 06:00 PM
Rick Spencer
 
Default Please Comment: Proposal to change the name of Applications -> Add/Remove...

On 01/15/2009 10:46 AM, Aaron Toponce wrote:
> Except those who are coming from Windows, which is a larger userbase
> than those coming from the iPhone or Android markets, are used to the
> Add/Remove programs in the Control Panel.
Actually, this has gotten kind of muddled in Windows. It is now
something called "Programs and Features", which is yet another control
panel that launches wizards for individual applications that you may
have installed (or can install depending if you are in a corporate
environment that supports it).

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Old 01-15-2009, 06:01 PM
Rick Spencer
 
Default Please Comment: Proposal to change the name of Applications -> Add/Remove...

On 01/15/2009 10:53 AM, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> i doubt she would have that thorough understanding from an opaque name
> like "software library"
Interesting, so you feel that "software library" is opaque. Perhaps
there is another "place" name that would have worked for her?

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Old 01-15-2009, 06:10 PM
"Tomasz Dominikowski"
 
Default Please Comment: Proposal to change the name of Applications -> Add/Remove...

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Rick Spencer
<rick.spencer@canonical.com> wrote:
> All -
>
> A proposal has been put forward to change the name of the
> "Add/Remove..." menu item.
>
> Problem:
> Platforms such as iPhone and Android have given users the expectation
> that there is a "place" that they can to in order to install new
> software. Ubuntu has good functionality for this, but the name
> "Add/Remove..." is not in line with users' expectations because it isn't
> a "place".
>
> Solution:
> Change the name of "Add/Remove..." to "Software Library".
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Cheers, Rick

Thoughts? This is a non-issue. The way it is now is completely
understandable to most users. I don't think Ubuntu should be
influenced by design decisions in a single phone (iPhone) and a niche
(for now) phone platform. In my opinion, it is borderline ridiculous.
This would be change just for the sake of change. I hope you will be
able to explain that to documentation writers, translators and those
who provide Ubuntu training courses, because the "place" rationale is
far from being enough to warrant any change at all. I would suggest
focusing on things that are really broken.

Regards,
Tomasz Dominikowski


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Old 01-15-2009, 06:15 PM
Oliver Grawert
 
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Am Donnerstag, den 15.01.2009, 11:01 -0800 schrieb Rick Spencer:
> On 01/15/2009 10:53 AM, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> > i doubt she would have that thorough understanding from an opaque name
> > like "software library"
> Interesting, so you feel that "software library" is opaque. Perhaps
> there is another "place" name that would have worked for her?
well, the thing is that it isnt a "place" but the button in the menu to
add or remove menuitems. for her it directly does what she expects it to
do and she immediately understands the concept because the app itself
visually connects to teh menu structure.
i'm not sure she would understand the concept of a "software place" as
replacement that easily ...

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Old 01-15-2009, 06:16 PM
Rick Spencer
 
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On 01/15/2009 10:29 AM, Rick Spencer wrote:
> All -
>
> A proposal has been put forward to change the name of the
> "Add/Remove..." menu item.
>
> Problem:
> Platforms such as iPhone and Android have given users the expectation
> that there is a "place" that they can to in order to install new
> software. Ubuntu has good functionality for this, but the name
> "Add/Remove..." is not in line with users' expectations because it isn't
> a "place".
>
> Solution:
> Change the name of "Add/Remove..." to "Software Library".
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Cheers, Rick
>
I'd like to add an important element to the rationale and see if it
impacts anyones thoughts.

I think the proposal addresses more than a usability problem, I think it
was put forth also to capitalize on a perception opportunity. In other
words, perhaps having a "place" to go is something that users think is
rather cool. We have such a place, but we don't position it as such.

Does this change anyone's thoughts regarding the proposal?

Cheers, Rick

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