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Old 06-28-2011, 02:51 PM
"Burke, Thomas (ES)"
 
Default EXT : Fedora Server?

Well... The upgrade will be from RH 6.2.... So yeah, I'm not real concerned with latest & greatest.

But my uptime has been near 100% over the last 10 years or so...

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:26 AM
To: General Red Hat Linux discussion list
Subject: EXT :RE: Fedora Server?

Marti, Robert wrote:
>> bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Burke, Thomas (ES)
>>
>> I'm seriously considering upgrading my server to Fedora. All the
>> distros I see, however, tout their "desktopiness." Are they all good to
>> use as a server, or is there one in particular I should use? Or
>> something else, for that matter? I am intrigued by the engineering
>> "spin," and might like to install all that stuff
>> on my server, as well...

> It depends what you mean by "server". Fedora is fine for a home server or
> your desktop. The problem with using it for a public facing service is
> that the code develops too quickly, and just running a yum update could
> take you from a 100% working box to something like httpd not starting
> -which would be a bad thing for a webserver.
<snip>
I concur. I would *NEVER* use fedora on a real server - it's bleeding
edge, not leading edge. If uptime is more important than the n33t3st,
c00l3st f38tur3s (esp. when they don't always work), use something that's
behind the times, like RHEL or CentOS.

Hell, not only do we run CentOS at work, I run it at home - I don't want
to come home after a long day dealing with many, many servers and
workstations to have to debug my own system....

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Old 06-28-2011, 03:00 PM
 
Default EXT : Fedora Server?

Burke, Thomas (ES) wrote:
> [mailto:redhat-list-bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of m.roth@5-cent.us
> Marti, Robert wrote:
>>> bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Burke, Thomas (ES)
>>>
>>> I'm seriously considering upgrading my server to Fedora. All the
>>> distros I see, however, tout their "desktopiness." Are they all good
>>> to use as a server, or is there one in particular I should use? Or
>>> something else, for that matter? I am intrigued by the engineering
>>> "spin," and might like to install all that stuff
>>> on my server, as well...
<snip>
> I concur. I would *NEVER* use fedora on a real server - it's bleeding
> edge, not leading edge. If uptime is more important than the n33t3st,
> c00l3st f38tur3s (esp. when they don't always work), use something that's
> behind the times, like RHEL or CentOS.
>
> Well... The upgrade will be from RH 6.2.... So yeah, I'm not real
> concerned with latest & greatest.
>
> But my uptime has been near 100% over the last 10 years or so...

So, why are you even considering it... wait, are do you mean RH 6.2 (10
years old), or RHEL, in which case, I didn't think 6.2 was out, only 6.1?

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Old 06-28-2011, 03:08 PM
"Marti, Robert"
 
Default EXT : Fedora Server?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: redhat-list-bounces@redhat.com [mailto:redhat-list-
> bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of m.roth@5-cent.us
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:01 AM
> To: General Red Hat Linux discussion list
> Subject: RE: EXT :RE: Fedora Server?
>
> Burke, Thomas (ES) wrote:
> > [mailto:redhat-list-bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of m.roth@5-cent.us
> > Marti, Robert wrote:
> >>> bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Burke, Thomas (ES)
> >>>
> >>> I'm seriously considering upgrading my server to Fedora. All the
> >>> distros I see, however, tout their "desktopiness." Are they all
> >>> good to use as a server, or is there one in particular I should use?
> >>> Or something else, for that matter? I am intrigued by the
> >>> engineering "spin," and might like to install all that stuff on my
> >>> server, as well...
> <snip>
> > I concur. I would *NEVER* use fedora on a real server - it's bleeding
> > edge, not leading edge. If uptime is more important than the n33t3st,
> > c00l3st f38tur3s (esp. when they don't always work), use something
> > that's behind the times, like RHEL or CentOS.
> >
> > Well... The upgrade will be from RH 6.2.... So yeah, I'm not real
> > concerned with latest & greatest.
> >
> > But my uptime has been near 100% over the last 10 years or so...
>
> So, why are you even considering it... wait, are do you mean RH 6.2 (10 years
> old), or RHEL, in which case, I didn't think 6.2 was out, only 6.1?
>
> mark

He's likely being honest and saying it's a 10 year old box. That's a bad thing. Get it on *anything* current... and if it's been on the internet for 10 years, you should make sure it's actually still yours.

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Old 06-28-2011, 03:11 PM
"Burke, Thomas (ES)"
 
Default EXT : Fedora Server?

RH6.2 ... not RHEL. Yeah, *that* old.

I considered going to 8.0 when it came out, but never did it.

I'm afraid my server might be nearing its last legs, and it's gained some wonkiness recently (I think I have an impending HW failure), so I'm considering the upgrade to something new. Of course, this means I throw away all my ipchains stuff and move to iptables (or whatever is en vogue, these days), likely re-do my sendmail.cf, and several handfuls of other scripts & apps to get it working, but....

Maybe it's worth it.

-----Original Message-----
From: redhat-list-bounces@redhat.com [mailto:redhat-list-bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of m.roth@5-cent.us
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:01 AM
To: General Red Hat Linux discussion list
Subject: RE: EXT :RE: Fedora Server?

Burke, Thomas (ES) wrote:
> [mailto:redhat-list-bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of m.roth@5-cent.us
> Marti, Robert wrote:
>>> bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Burke, Thomas (ES)
>>>
>>> I'm seriously considering upgrading my server to Fedora. All the
>>> distros I see, however, tout their "desktopiness." Are they all good
>>> to use as a server, or is there one in particular I should use? Or
>>> something else, for that matter? I am intrigued by the engineering
>>> "spin," and might like to install all that stuff
>>> on my server, as well...
<snip>
> I concur. I would *NEVER* use fedora on a real server - it's bleeding
> edge, not leading edge. If uptime is more important than the n33t3st,
> c00l3st f38tur3s (esp. when they don't always work), use something that's
> behind the times, like RHEL or CentOS.
>
> Well... The upgrade will be from RH 6.2.... So yeah, I'm not real
> concerned with latest & greatest.
>
> But my uptime has been near 100% over the last 10 years or so...

So, why are you even considering it... wait, are do you mean RH 6.2 (10
years old), or RHEL, in which case, I didn't think 6.2 was out, only 6.1?

mark

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Old 06-28-2011, 03:22 PM
 
Default EXT : Fedora Server?

Marti, Robert wrote:
>> bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of m.roth@5-cent.us
>> Burke, Thomas (ES) wrote:
>> > [mailto:redhat-list-bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of m.roth@5-cent.us
>> > Marti, Robert wrote:
>> >>> bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Burke, Thomas (ES)
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm seriously considering upgrading my server to Fedora. All the
>> <snip>
>> > I concur. I would *NEVER* use fedora on a real server - it's bleeding
>> > edge, not leading edge. If uptime is more important than the n33t3st,
>> > c00l3st f38tur3s (esp. when they don't always work), use something
>> > that's behind the times, like RHEL or CentOS.
>> >
>> > Well... The upgrade will be from RH 6.2.... So yeah, I'm not real
>> > concerned with latest & greatest.
>> >
>> > But my uptime has been near 100% over the last 10 years or so...
>>
>> So, why are you even considering it... wait, are do you mean RH 6.2 (10
>> years old), or RHEL, in which case, I didn't think 6.2 was out, only 6.1?
>
> He's likely being honest and saying it's a 10 year old box. That's a bad
> thing. Get it on *anything* current... and if it's been on the internet
> for 10 years, you should make sure it's actually still yours.

Why? Until Aug of '09, I had a firewall/router box, running RH 9 (Shrike).
Now, admittedly, it *was* a firewall/router, and I'd run Bastille Linux on
it (which is a set of hardening scripts, not a distro), and to the best of
my knowledge, having started that on 5.2? 6? all with Bastille, I never
had an intrusion, and had been on broadband for about 10 years.

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