Fedora 9 -aarrrgggghh
After installing Fedora 9, I'm feeling like it's
turning into the "Windows babysitting" model. I have been using Fedora 6 for really solid ftp and web services, and really don't like all the changes. Fedora 6 was so solid; it gets pretty boring just watching the servers run ..year..after..year... How 'bout a pep talk on Fedora 9....or I just downloaded FreeBSD, and feel this could be more comfortable for this old timer. It's a good day. Bret Stern _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request@redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe |
Fedora 9 -aarrrgggghh
On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Bret Stern wrote:
After installing Fedora 9, I'm feeling like it's turning into the "Windows babysitting" model. I have been using Fedora 6 for really solid ftp and web services, and really don't like all the changes. Fedora 6 was so solid; it gets pretty boring just watching the servers run ..year..after..year... How 'bout a pep talk on Fedora 9....or I just downloaded FreeBSD, and feel this could be more comfortable for this old timer. I install Fedora 8 because it feels comfortable like FC6 did. That might be a solution you can live with. Karl It's a good day. Bret Stern _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request@redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe -- Karl L. Pearson karlp@ourldsfamily.com http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com --- My Thoughts on Terrorism In America right after 9/11/2001: http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml --- The world is a dangerous place to live... not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request@redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe |
Fedora 9 -aarrrgggghh
Bret Stern wrote:
After installing Fedora 9, I'm feeling like it's turning into the "Windows babysitting" model. I have been using Fedora 6 for really solid ftp and web services, and really don't like all the changes. Fedora 6 was so solid; it gets pretty boring just watching the servers run ..year..after..year... How 'bout a pep talk on Fedora 9....or I just downloaded FreeBSD, and feel this could be more comfortable for this old timer. Fedora 9 or 10 will become the new RHEL 6 in time. F9 is a significant change in a lot of baseline technologies, but deals more with the desktop-type of system than servers: a new Xorg release, new versions of Gnome and (and incomplete) KDE, enhanced support for various video and audio cards, (supposedly) easier wireless networking...the list goes on and on. You could have said "Stop the evolution of Fedora" at any point. Many people did. F3 became RHEL4. F6 became RHEL5. Fedora is an evolving beast...sometimes the evolution hits a dead end and it gets backed off. I don't like where F9 went in some areas, and in fact only have it running as a Xen DomU (guest) under an F8 Dom0 on an Opteron for testing purposes. Some of my observations: a) NetworkManager is completely useless (and in fact is counterproductive) if you have anything more than the simplest of networking topologies. It's not configurable in any meaningful way. b) I'm still rather unhappy with the spectacularly confusing PulseAudio system, and it doesn't "play nice" with many applications (Skype, for example). c) I'm not thrilled with the new startup logic (there was NOTHING wrong with inittab and the /etc/rc.d/rcx.d directory tree)...and I don't agree with "changes for the sake of change"). d) KDE is V4.0 and it's MASSIVELY incomplete. 4.1 is around the corner, but 4.0 is SO bad it never should have been released. e) Most proprietary video drivers (are you listening nVidia?) were incompatible with the new Xorg version. This has gotten better in the last few months, but Je-sus! These complaints (and others) have been sent off to the development and design teams. I'm not an official member of the groups, but sort of an interested (and vocal) spectator. As with any evolving thing, not everyone will be pleased with the directions it goes. You can help guide it by getting involved in the developers or testers group. If you don't get involved, you essentially have no cause to complain if it doesn't go the way you want it to in exactly the same way you really don't have a right to bitch about the government unless you get involved and vote. For a rock-solid server, stay with RHEL 5 or CentOS 5. They won't be EOL'd for quite a while and will work well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - Rick Stevens, Systems Engineer rps2@nerd.com - - Hosting Consulting, Inc. - - - - Denial. It ain't just a river in Egypt anymore! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request@redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe |
Fedora 9 -aarrrgggghh
I've still got Fedora 4 running on my server and am bringing up Fedora 9
on my backup server. After several years of operation, there are a lot of applications and a lot of config files I have to set up on the backup server. Once I get that all figured out, I'll update the online server to Fedora 9. I AM running Fedora 9 on my HP laptop, and it's working well. A while back there was a kernel update that killed it, but I was able to go back to a previous one and have it work. I like that Fedora 9 is now supporting the internal MMC/SD card reader, since I lost my little USB one somewhere. The network manager seems to work fine for me on managed wireless networks and my DHCP wired network. Last time I tried, it did not work on an ad hoc network, but that may be the wireless card driver I'm using (which is probably out of date) that I pulled from Windows with fwcutter. Harold -- FCC Rules Updated Daily at http://www.hallikainen.com - Advertising opportunities available! _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request@redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe |
Fedora 9 -aarrrgggghh
On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 10:09 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
> > d) KDE is V4.0 and it's MASSIVELY incomplete. 4.1 is around the corner, > but 4.0 is SO bad it never should have been released. > This is my biggest gripe about Fedora 9. I installed it on only one machine here and I since I am a KDE user I was anxious to check out the new KDE 4.0. Man... was I DISAPPOINTED. KDE 4.0 is terribly incomplete to the point of being unusable. I decided not to upgrade my main machine until KDE 4.1... which will hopefully have resolved most of the issues that presently make KDE 4.0 so miserable. For now I'm sticking with Fedora 6 on my main machine. -- email-> micros50@verizon.net "I Speak Mathematics" _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request@redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe |
Fedora 9 -aarrrgggghh
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> From: redhat-install-list-bounces@redhat.com > [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of > Karl Pearson > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:44 AM > To: redhat-install-list@redhat.com > Subject: Re: Fedora 9 -aarrrgggghh > > On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Bret Stern wrote: > > > > > After installing Fedora 9, I'm feeling like it's turning into the > > "Windows babysitting" model. > > > > I have been using Fedora 6 for really solid ftp and web > services, and > > really don't like all the changes. > > > > Fedora 6 was so solid; it gets pretty boring just watching > the servers > > run ..year..after..year... > > > > How 'bout a pep talk on Fedora 9....or I just downloaded > FreeBSD, and > > feel this could be more comfortable for this old timer. > > I install Fedora 8 because it feels comfortable like FC6 did. > > That might be a solution you can live with. > > Karl I'll take a look at Fedora 8. Is it essentially the last Fedora progression before the big Fedora 9 (analogy XP to Vista like) change? It's just a real bitch to keep up with all this, especially with all life's distractions. (I just got a new backhoe). Thanks for all the replies..this list has a great bunch of contributors. > > > > > It's a good day. > > > > > > Bret Stern > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Redhat-install-list mailing list > > Redhat-install-list@redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > > redhat-install-list-request@redhat.com > > Subject: unsubscribe > > > > -- > Karl L. Pearson > karlp@ourldsfamily.com > http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com > --- > My Thoughts on Terrorism In America right after 9/11/2001: > http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml > --- > The world is a dangerous place to live... not because of > the people who are evil, but because of the people who > don't do anything about it. > - Albert Einstein > --- > "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; > to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." > --- > > _______________________________________________ > Redhat-install-list mailing list > Redhat-install-list@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list > To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: > redhat-install-list-request@redhat.com > Subject: unsubscribe _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request@redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe |
Fedora 9 -aarrrgggghh
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008, Bret Stern wrote:
-----Original Message----- From: redhat-install-list-bounces@redhat.com [mailto:redhat-install-list-bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of Karl Pearson Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:44 AM To: redhat-install-list@redhat.com Subject: Re: Fedora 9 -aarrrgggghh On Fri, 22 Aug 2008, Bret Stern wrote: After installing Fedora 9, I'm feeling like it's turning into the "Windows babysitting" model. I have been using Fedora 6 for really solid ftp and web services, and really don't like all the changes. Fedora 6 was so solid; it gets pretty boring just watching the servers run ..year..after..year... How 'bout a pep talk on Fedora 9....or I just downloaded FreeBSD, and feel this could be more comfortable for this old timer. I install Fedora 8 because it feels comfortable like FC6 did. That might be a solution you can live with. Karl I'll take a look at Fedora 8. Is it essentially the last Fedora progression before the big Fedora 9 (analogy XP to Vista like) change? From what Rick said, I would suggest this is the case. It's just a real bitch to keep up with all this, especially with all life's distractions. (I just got a new backhoe). Thanks for all the replies..this list has a great bunch of contributors. Might I suggest taking a look at Linux Mint, which is a very solid distribution, other than being based on the Debian tree, and even more like Ubuntu. It uses the Ubuntu repositories, but doesn't maintain the 'only free; only open-source' policy of Ubuntu. I also like very much PCLinuxOS, which is a redhat derivative, except v2008 isn't out yet, so it's not as compatible with newer hardware as Mint is. That will change once PCLOS2008 is released (no idea or news when). Karl It's a good day. Bret Stern _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request@redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe -- Karl L. Pearson karlp@ourldsfamily.com http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com --- My Thoughts on Terrorism In America right after 9/11/2001: http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml --- The world is a dangerous place to live... not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request@redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request@redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe -- Karl L. Pearson karlp@ourldsfamily.com http://consulting.ourldsfamily.com --- My Thoughts on Terrorism In America right after 9/11/2001: http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml --- The world is a dangerous place to live... not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein --- "To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it." --- _______________________________________________ Redhat-install-list mailing list Redhat-install-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-install-list To Unsubscribe Go To ABOVE URL or send a message to: redhat-install-list-request@redhat.com Subject: unsubscribe |
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