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Old 07-10-2008, 09:12 AM
"Martin Pool"
 
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On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Sarah Hobbs <hobbsee@ubuntu.com> wrote:
> Kjell Braden wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to see the possibility for users to choose whether they want to
>> see an "action" menu on the bug pages: I hate the fact that I have to
>> search the whole page for whatever I want to do. (In case someone
>> complained about that before, feel free to point me to the discussion)

I'm not clear on whether you're saying that you want an actions menu
so the actions are all together, or whether you want it gone.

I think there has been a problem in the past that the controls for
data are not near the display of the data, and that the actions menu
is too long to easily scan. So these changes are trying to improve
both those problems.

In general if there is an infelicity in the ui it's better to just fix
it than to provide a per-user option by which people can avoid it.

> Try quitting the beta team. I know others have done so for similar reasons
> (pages consistently changing, having to remove 'edge.' from all URL's given,
> etc).
>
> I doubt it's very hard to get back on it again, when the UI stabilizes?

I think the main aspect at the moment is the automatic redirection so
if you do like it it's fine to quit. I think we would like to hear
feedback about why it's happening though.

For example maybe, just thinking out loud, the 'disable redirection',
button should be present in the header of every beta page, and also
take you immediately back to the corresponding production page? Would
that mean you were more willing to use beta?

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Old 07-10-2008, 09:19 AM
Sarah Hobbs
 
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Martin Pool wrote:

I think the main aspect at the moment is the automatic redirection so
if you do like it it's fine to quit. I think we would like to hear
feedback about why it's happening though.

For example maybe, just thinking out loud, the 'disable redirection',
button should be present in the header of every beta page, and also
take you immediately back to the corresponding production page? Would
that mean you were more willing to use beta?



Actually, I would have thought that the standard screen on launchpad.net
was fine, but with the addition of a dropdown that specifies how long
you don't want to be redirected for.


eg: 2 hours, 4 hours, 6 hours, 24 hours, 48 hours, 1 week, 2 weeks, 1
month. (or whatever steps were deemed appropriate)


If that could actually be implemented, for the next rollout, that would
be really nice, and would be a viable alternative. If this is
unfeasible, then people will need to look at other alternatives.


Hobbsee

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Old 07-10-2008, 09:20 AM
Kjell Braden
 
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On Do, 2008-07-10 at 19:12 +1000, Martin Pool wrote:
> I'm not clear on whether you're saying that you want an actions menu
> so the actions are all together, or whether you want it gone.
>
> I think there has been a problem in the past that the controls for
> data are not near the display of the data, and that the actions menu
> is too long to easily scan. So these changes are trying to improve
> both those problems.

My point is that I (personally) like to have my controls grouped
together (like in one action menu) instead of "near the data".

> For example maybe, just thinking out loud, the 'disable redirection',
> button should be present in the header of every beta page, and also
> take you immediately back to the corresponding production page? Would
> that mean you were more willing to use beta?

That may be a good feature.
However, I don't really consider leaving beta-testers, because I like to
be able to discuss/test changes before they get to the production page.
(This design change is going to get to the production page anyway, so I
either have to get used to it, or you change it )
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:18 AM
Michael Bienia
 
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On 2008-07-10 19:12:20 +1000, Martin Pool wrote:
> I think there has been a problem in the past that the controls for
> data are not near the display of the data, and that the actions menu
> is too long to easily scan. So these changes are trying to improve
> both those problems.

I prefer a fixed position for the "action" items. That hasn't to be a
box or similar, but I hate it to search where the item is right now
because of variable length data. Especially the subscribe/unsubscribe
buttons are now at the end of the page.
E.g. when sponsoring a sync I need to add a comment, scroll down to the
unsubscribe link to unsubscribe the sponsoring team, scroll down again
to subscribe the Ubuntu archive team. It was easier with the action
portlet where these links always were at the same position and also at
the top of the page and not at the bottom.

BTW: Why are there so many people notified for all Ubuntu bugs? When
looking at the list I see many deactivated account. Can't the list be
trimmed down?

Regards,
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Old 07-11-2008, 10:44 PM
"Martin Pool"
 
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On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 8:18 PM, Michael Bienia <michael@vorlon.ping.de> wrote:
> On 2008-07-10 19:12:20 +1000, Martin Pool wrote:
>> I think there has been a problem in the past that the controls for
>> data are not near the display of the data, and that the actions menu
>> is too long to easily scan. So these changes are trying to improve
>> both those problems.
>
> I prefer a fixed position for the "action" items. That hasn't to be a
> box or similar, but I hate it to search where the item is right now
> because of variable length data. Especially the subscribe/unsubscribe
> buttons are now at the end of the page.
> E.g. when sponsoring a sync I need to add a comment, scroll down to the
> unsubscribe link to unsubscribe the sponsoring team, scroll down again
> to subscribe the Ubuntu archive team. It was easier with the action
> portlet where these links always were at the same position and also at
> the top of the page and not at the bottom.

I would certainly agree that if people have to search around the page
for something there is a bug. Some of the changes in removing the
actions portlet are meant to reduce this kind of search time, but it
may be others bugs have been introduced.

If the sequence you describe is a common one then maybe more needs to
be done than just moving the unsubscribe links?

>
> BTW: Why are there so many people notified for all Ubuntu bugs? When
> looking at the list I see many deactivated account. Can't the list be
> trimmed down?

I think they are all probably user errors - people wanted to know
about all Ubuntu bugs but didn't realize how many hundreds of mail per
day that would be. I previously suggested there should be an extra
warning before subscribing. It seems like inactive accounts should be
hidden from the subscriber list too?

That is

https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/238493/

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Old 07-13-2008, 10:20 AM
"Gediminas Paulauskas"
 
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On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Michael Bienia <michael@vorlon.ping.de> wrote:
> On 2008-07-10 19:12:20 +1000, Martin Pool wrote:
>> I think there has been a problem in the past that the controls for
>> data are not near the display of the data, and that the actions menu
>> is too long to easily scan. So these changes are trying to improve
>> both those problems.
>
> I prefer a fixed position for the "action" items. That hasn't to be a
> box or similar, but I hate it to search where the item is right now
> because of variable length data. Especially the subscribe/unsubscribe
> buttons are now at the end of the page.
> E.g. when sponsoring a sync I need to add a comment, scroll down to the
> unsubscribe link to unsubscribe the sponsoring team, scroll down again
> to subscribe the Ubuntu archive team. It was easier with the action
> portlet where these links always were at the same position and also at
> the top of the page and not at the bottom.
>
> BTW: Why are there so many people notified for all Ubuntu bugs? When
> looking at the list I see many deactivated account. Can't the list be
> trimmed down?

One new problem with reorganizing is that the subscribers list is
always expanded, so the pages get long and needs much scrolling to
reach some of the interesting links. This is not very interesting info
about a bug.

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Old 07-13-2008, 08:35 PM
Matthew Paul Thomas
 
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(``-_-) -- Fernando wrote on 08/07/08 22:46:
>...
> Can i just say, that I have to disagree with the new layout. Every box
> on the right reminds me too much of bugzilla, and I always found LP
> design far superior.

I know many aspects of Bugzilla are poorly designed, but it's not a
sensible design strategy to do the opposite of whatever Bugzilla does
just because it's the opposite of what Bugzilla does.

> If we are going to keep this all the way up to final, at least give
> the users the FREEDOM to select the design, and the side to which the
> menu box align, 'cause I want to keep mine on the left.
>...

That would be quite difficult to implement, it would make Launchpad more
difficult to change and to test from then on, and it would invite
ridicule from people wondering why we hadn't spent the time implementing
or fixing more useful things.

You are, however, welcome to customize Launchpad's layout on your own
computer by writing a user style sheet.

Cheers
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Old 07-13-2008, 08:50 PM
Matthew Paul Thomas
 
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Hi Michael

Michael Bienia wrote on 11/07/08 11:18:
>...
> I prefer a fixed position for the "action" items. That hasn't to be a
> box or similar, but I hate it to search where the item is right now
> because of variable length data. Especially the subscribe/unsubscribe
> buttons are now at the end of the page.
> E.g. when sponsoring a sync I need to add a comment, scroll down to the
> unsubscribe link to unsubscribe the sponsoring team, scroll down again
> to subscribe the Ubuntu archive team. It was easier with the action
> portlet where these links always were at the same position and also at
> the top of the page and not at the bottom.

This was a mistake on my part. When I designed the new layout, I drew a
mockup that showed a small number of subscribers, so it looked fine and
logical to have the subscribe/unsubscribe links at the end of the list.
But with real data, when the list of subscribers was very long, this
didn't work so well.

I have submitted a fix that puts the subscribe/unsubscribe links at the
top of the list, instead of at the bottom. This fix should appear on
edge.launchpad.net in the next day or two, and on launchpad.net sometime
in the coming week.

If there is anything else specifically that you are having trouble
finding, please let us know.

> BTW: Why are there so many people notified for all Ubuntu bugs? When
> looking at the list I see many deactivated account. Can't the list be
> trimmed down?
>...

Good idea. Reported. <http://launchpad.net/bugs/248223>

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Old 07-30-2008, 01:08 AM
"Martin Pool"
 
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On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 7:44 PM, Mathias Florian Menzer
<mathias@menzer.net> wrote:
> Hi all!
>
>> So what we're trying on edge.launchpad.net is putting the boxes on the right.
>
> I also must admit, that the Boxes on the right are sort of a problem to
> me.

Why?

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Old 07-30-2008, 12:31 PM
Matthew Paul Thomas
 
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Gediminas Paulauskas wrote on 13/07/08 11:20:
>...
> One new problem with reorganizing is that the subscribers list is
> always expanded, so the pages get long and needs much scrolling to
> reach some of the interesting links. This is not very interesting info
> about a bug.

This is already reported. <http://launchpad.net/bugs/241150>

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