Derek Broughton wrote:
> Michael Leone wrote:
>
>> Richard Stallman, the founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF),
>> goes so far as using only the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) hardware,
>> because it's the only one that allows him the freedom to remove the BIOS
>> it comes with, and install one of his own choice.
>
> But Stallman, as usual, goes over the top
Truer understatements were never spoken. :-)
>(and how does he justify taking a laptop from a needy child, anyway?).
Because he is free to do so, of course. :-)
The OLPC was originally a "buy one for you, and one for a needy child"
promotion, wasn't it? I know of others who bought one (I refer to
podcasters who say they have one)
> I've never seen an EULA that prevents me replacing the bios.
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05-09-2008, 12:21 AM
Larry Hartman
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On Thursday 08 May 2008 12:24:12 pm Pete wrote:
> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Mark Fraser <
>
> kubuntu@mfraz74.orangehome.co.uk> wrote:
> > I think that is a per user setting, I had to edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc to
> > have
> > the num lock on at the login screen.
>
> Hey, thx for the tip. I have a slightly different problem (numlock won't
> start on even with the setting checked in System Settings), but I'll try
> looking in this file and see if it helps.
>
> -p.
Same here.
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05-09-2008, 12:29 AM
Michael Leone
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Derek Broughton wrote:
>
> That's fine, but they're not KDE apps. That's like complaining that Windows
> didn't come with Netscape installed (oh, wait, there was a whole federal
> anti-monopoly case about that...). It's not a KDE distro's place to decide
> what non-KDE apps you want - and no matter what that court found, there
> isn't any good reason why Microsoft should install any other vendor's
> browser in Windows.
Well, technically, that wasn't the court's decision, nor the real reason
for the case, but I happen to agree with you.
> If you don't want KDE, there's a whole Gnome Ubuntu
> version available.
Personally, I think Gnome as an environment sucks. The apps are pretty
good, usually, but the whole is just distasteful to me.
The beauty of Linux - choice ...
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05-09-2008, 01:17 AM
Michael Leone
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Willy Hamra wrote:
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> still. that is easier thatn dealing with windows, windows doesnt come
> with an office suite for an instance.
You are free to download OpenOffice for Windows, just as you are free to
do so on Linux.
> i agree with the web browser
> problem, but it is now fixed in hardy. i find installing printers a pice
> of cake, since i dont need any drivers, wheareas on windows, it will not
> install the printer during the windows installation or after it unless
> you insert the driver CD.
Or you could just download the drivers, which Kubuntu has helpfully
already done for you ... That's the way I always do it ...
> kmix might be an issue here, a lot of people are complaining that sound
> is not working without kmix editing. gimp is a bit of a big program to
> include, but so is the case in windows, you get lousy paint, not photoshop!
So download the GiMP for Windows, what's the problem?
> the fact is that you still need to be a bit familiar with computers to
> install a system, whatever the OS is, at least you can get all what is
> missing in kubuntu while you are sitting on your chair, no need to buy
> CDs or anything.
Depending on what you need, you may not have to purchase anything for
Windows, either, as there are open source office suites, graphic
editors, web browsers, mail clients, etc, available for Windows.
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05-09-2008, 07:02 AM
Neil Winchurst
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On Thu, 08 May 2008 19:02:13 +0100
alan c <aeclist@candt.waitrose.com> wrote:
>
> I notice you chose gutsy rather than hardy heron Why? I believe hardy
> has firefox included now.
Because I feel that at the moment Hardy still has some problems,
being somewhat cutting edge. I do have the CDs and plan a dual boot
install soon
Also, on Hardy, FF is version 3 which has been causing some problems
according to comments on the list.
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05-09-2008, 07:16 AM
Neil Winchurst
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On Thu, 08 May 2008 20:29:59 -0400
Michael Leone <turgon@mike-leone.com> wrote:
> Derek Broughton wrote:
> >
> > That's fine, but they're not KDE apps. That's like complaining that Windows
> > didn't come with Netscape installed (oh, wait, there was a whole federal
> > anti-monopoly case about that...). It's not a KDE distro's place to decide
> > what non-KDE apps you want - and no matter what that court found, there
> > isn't any good reason why Microsoft should install any other vendor's
> > browser in Windows.
>
> Well, technically, that wasn't the court's decision, nor the real reason
> for the case, but I happen to agree with you.
>
> > If you don't want KDE, there's a whole Gnome Ubuntu
> > version available.
>
> Personally, I think Gnome as an environment sucks. The apps are pretty
> good, usually, but the whole is just distasteful to me.
>
> The beauty of Linux - choice ...
>
I agree with you, I will never choose Gnome. However, I don't
understand this business of 'they're not KDE apps'. I use the Gimp
for example, which I am told is not a KDE app. So what?? Am I missing
something again here?
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05-09-2008, 07:22 AM
Neil Winchurst
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On Thu, 08 May 2008 16:48:27 -0300
Derek Broughton <news@pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> Pete wrote:
>
> > On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Derek Broughton <news@pointerstop.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> You shouldn't have _needed_ to comment it out (OK, _I_ comment it out
> >> too, because I rarely actually have a copy of the CD I originally
> >> installed from
> >> available). If you only want something that's newer in the repositories
> >> than on the CD, it shouldn't afaik ask you to insert the CD.
> >
> >
> > However, IIRC if the version on the CD is the _same_ as the version in the
> > repository, I think it goes for the CD.
>
> Absolutely. Which for the majority of Ubuntu users is probably still a Good
> Thing.
> --
> derek
>
>
I have installed kubuntu on my brother's laptop, for example, but I
have the CD so I have commented out the reference to the CD for him
too. And I am surprised by the above information about the CD being
the preference if the versions are the same. I wonder why.
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05-09-2008, 07:54 AM
"O. Sinclair"
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Neil Winchurst wrote:
> On Thu, 08 May 2008 16:48:27 -0300
> Derek Broughton <news@pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>
>> Pete wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Derek Broughton <news@pointerstop.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You shouldn't have _needed_ to comment it out (OK, _I_ comment it out
>>>> too, because I rarely actually have a copy of the CD I originally
>>>> installed from
>>>> available). If you only want something that's newer in the repositories
>>>> than on the CD, it shouldn't afaik ask you to insert the CD.
>>>
>>> However, IIRC if the version on the CD is the _same_ as the version in the
>>> repository, I think it goes for the CD.
>> Absolutely. Which for the majority of Ubuntu users is probably still a Good
>> Thing.
>> --
>> derek
>>
>>
> I have installed kubuntu on my brother's laptop, for example, but I
> have the CD so I have commented out the reference to the CD for him
> too. And I am surprised by the above information about the CD being
> the preference if the versions are the same. I wonder why.
Because we do not all live in "broadband wonderland"... I share a 256k
DSL with 10 others at work and only have dialup at home. Then you LOVE
to install from CD rather than internet.
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05-09-2008, 10:19 AM
Neil Winchurst
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On Fri, 09 May 2008 09:54:21 +0200
"O. Sinclair" <o.sinclair@gmail.com> wrote:
> Neil Winchurst wrote:
> > I have installed kubuntu on my brother's laptop, for example, but I
> > have the CD so I have commented out the reference to the CD for him
> > too. And I am surprised by the above information about the CD being
> > the preference if the versions are the same. I wonder why.
>
> Because we do not all live in "broadband wonderland"... I share a 256k
> DSL with 10 others at work and only have dialup at home. Then you LOVE
> to install from CD rather than internet.
>
> Sinclair
>
Point taken. Now I understand and accept the need for it. I forget
that some people still do not have access to broadband in this
country. BT have a lot to answer for.
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05-09-2008, 10:56 AM
Lisi Reisz
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On Friday 09 May 2008 11:19:50 Neil Winchurst wrote:
> BT have a lot to answer for.
Or Maggie Thatcher, in this case. Way back in the mists of time, BT was
intending to recable the country with fibre optic cable. Maggie vetoed it.
Then came privatisation's focus on quick profit and competition, and BT too
dropped the idea.
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