On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:52 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair@gmail.com> wrote:
On 08/10/2012 20:04, Michael Hirsch wrote:
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 12:05 AM, O. Sinclair <o.sinclair@gmail.com
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* * On 23/09/2012 04:37, Michael Hirsch wrote:
* * * * On Sep 15, 2012 1:22 AM, "O. Sinclair" <o.sinclair@gmail.com
* * * * <mailto
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* * * * <mailto
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* * * * * >
* * * * * > On 14/09/2012 08:15, Michael Hirsch wrote:
* * * * * >>
* * * * * >> So I finally upgraded kubuntu this week. *I went from 11.04
* * * * to 11.10 to
* * * * * >> 12.04. *In the middle I only booted long enough to start
* * * * the upgrade--I
* * * * * >> didn't test to see if everything worked.
* * * * * >>
* * * * * >> It seems to have gone fairly smoothly, except for kmail.
* * * * * kmail wouldn't
* * * * * >> start, and would tell me to run the upgrader interactively,
* * * * but when I
* * * * * >> ran it it would say it had already run. *I
* * * * * >> deleted ~/.kde4/share/config/kmail-__migratorrc and it ran,
* * * * supposedly
* * * * * >> successfully, but then kmail would not run.
* * * * * >>
* * * * * >> Following some internet sleuthing, I deleted
* * * * ~/.kde/share/apps/akonadi
* * * * * >> and ~/.config/akonadi and my .kmail2rc and it finally ran,
* * * * and even
* * * * * >> figured out some of my email accounts. *But all my mail is
* * * * missing!
* * * * * >>
* * * * * >> There is a File->Import Messages menu item that looks
* * * * promising. *Maybe
* * * * * >> I can import all my emails and then I will be able to read
* * * * them. *There
* * * * * >> is a likely sounding "Import KMail Maildirs and Folder
* * * * Structure" item
* * * * * >> in a drop-down. *Of course, it warns me not to import
* * * * ~/Mail, which is
* * * * * >> where my mail is, but I think it is just confused. *Why
* * * * should it worry
* * * * * >> about infinitely looping on importing mail when kmail now
* * * * stores my mail
* * * * * >> in a mysql database?
* * * * * >>
* * * * * >> There is a funny warning that I don't really understand:
* * * * "Since it is
* * * * * >> possible to recreate the folder structure, the folders will
* * * * be stored
* * * * * >> under: "KMail-Import" in your local folder." *Should that
* * * * be "Since it
* * * * * >> is impossible..."? *I still don't understand, but oh well.
* * * * * I'll try it.
* * * * * >>
* * * * * >> So I click the button below "Please select the folder to
* * * * import to" and
* * * * * >> choose to import to a subfolder in my local email.
* * * * * >>
* * * * * >> The next part is a disaster. *I have hundreds of email
* * * * folders, and the
* * * * * >> dialog makes me start over for each one. *So I have to pick
* * * * where to
* * * * * >> import to, then navigate to a folder and select it.
* * * * * Ultimately I find
* * * * * >> that I can multi-select all my mbox folders at once and do
* * * * a big import.
* * * * * >> * They get imported into folders named MBOX-oldname. *Why
* * * * they developer
* * * * * >> thinks I care that they used to be in mbox format I can't
* * * * imagine. *Now
* * * * * >> I have to go rename them all, but at least they loaded quickly.
* * * * * >>
* * * * * >> Now I still have lots of slightly newer maildir folders to
* * * * import. *It
* * * * * >> takes me a long time to realize that if never actually lets
* * * * me select a
* * * * * >> maildir folder and say okay. *If I select a folder the
* * * * dialog enters
* * * * * >> that folder showing the sub-folders. *Finally, I just give
* * * * up and I
* * * * * >> click "okay" when I've entered the folder in question with
* * * * nothing
* * * * * >> inside selected. *Wow, it actually starts importing all my
* * * * folders.
* * * * * >>
* * * * * >> Moronically, it is putting every folder into a KMail-import
* * * * folder, but
* * * * * >> I guess I was warned. *I still don't understand why it
* * * * would do that.
* * * * * >>
* * * * * >> So, I guess the upshot is that it worked, mostly. *I still
* * * * get the
* * * * * >> heebie-jeebies at the thought of keeping all my mail in
* * * * mysql instead of
* * * * * >> easily to read mbox and maildir folders, and I have all my
* * * * folders named
* * * * * >> stupidly, but it looks like I haven't lost my mail. *That's
* * * * good.
* * * * * >>
* * * * * >> This has probably been the worst upgrade experience I've
* * * * had in my
* * * * * >> almost 20 years of running Linux. *I can't believe that
* * * * anyone thought
* * * * * >> this was a good idea, or that it was ready to use. *Since I
* * * * got past the
* * * * * >> kmail crashing instantly it has only crashed twice--but
* * * * I've only been
* * * * * >> running it a couple of hours.
* * * * * >>
* * * * * >> Let's hope that no more big changes are coming.
* * * * * >>
* * * * * >> Michael
* * * * * >>
* * * * * >>
* * * * * > Well, did you read the - by now old - kubuntu advise to not
* * * * upgrade
* * * * but do a "move/backup your email, set up new kmail and then
* * * * import your
* * * * stuff" advise?
* * * * * >
* * * * Yes, I did see that advise, but I trends to like to sees things for
* * * * myself. *Maybe not the smartest approach, sometimes.
* * * * * > I tried "migrate" at least twice and then gave up. Moved my
* * * * mails
* * * * away, created fresh KMail and imported mails. Worked way better
* * * * though I
* * * * also had to move all folders from "KMail-imported" to where I wanted
* * * * them in "Local Folders".
* * * * * >
* * * * * > And yes, though 4.9 is the best KMail2 this far it still
* * * * unstable if
* * * * you ask me. Accidentally moved a folder with subfolders to another
* * * * folder (hate clickpads, give me touchpad with clickbuttons any
* * * * day) and
* * * * moving it back caused some sort of database total hickup. I
* * * * eventually
* * * * sorted it, though it took me literally hours and CPU nearly
* * * * burnt out.
* * * * * >
* * * * * > But this is why my wife use Thunderbird and not KMail - she
* * * * would
* * * * just have sat there and "where the h..l did all the mails
* * * * disappear to"?
* * * * I think your wife I'd right. *I'm going to switch to thunderbird
* * * * as soon
* * * * as I figure out how to import my maildir folders.
* * Well, it was not meant as an advise to migrate to Thunderbird, not
* * at all. I consider KMail far better but at times wonder why the ...
* * the decision to migrate to Akonadi was made when the app clearly was
* * not, and in some ways still is not, ready for that move.
* * The other part to complain about is that the whole chain of
* * Nepomuk-Akonadi-MySQL and the connection to physical mailfolders is,
* * put mildly, poorly documented so if (when) the shit hits the fan you
* * are in the dark.
* * I use Thunderbird for mailing lists and some other stuff but I am
* * considering migrating almost all of that to KMail actually.. not the
* * other way around.
* * Now what you can do is to create new subfolders in mbox format, move
* * your mails to these and then you are ready to import these to
* * Thunderbird no problems.
So does kmail still use filesystem files and folders? *I thought
everything is now in mysql. *Is mysql only used to index the searching
and the physical files are still on the HD? *I would feel a lot better
if that were true.
This blog posting is very clear on this issue:
http://blogs.kde.org/node/4503
title: Akonadi misconception #1: where is my data?
Ah, thank you.* That is very helpful.* Maybe I'll give kmail another try.* I should have known that it wouldn't put all my data in a DB, but I guess I felt that the KDE team has made so many bad decisions lately, I had lost a lot of my faith that they woldn't do something truly stupid like that.* I'm glad to hear I was wrong.
Michael
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