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Old 05-04-2012, 03:53 PM
Georgi Kourtev
 
Default Updates 4.8.3

Hi all,

I need your advice. I tried to update my 12.04 machine through the PPA
repository to KDE 4.8.3 but I have the below 32 packages kept back (i.e. not
upgraded). Is this normal? Should I upgrade the other upgradable packages or
else? Thanks,
gk

The following packages have been kept back:
kde-window-manager kde-window-manager-common kde-workspace kde-workspace-bin
kde-workspace-data kde-workspace-kgreet-plugins kdm kinfocenter ksysguard
ksysguardd libkdecorations4 libkephal4abi1 libkscreensaver5 libksgrd4
libksignalplotter4 libkwineffects1abi3 libkwinglutils1 libkwinnvidiahack4
libkworkspace4abi1 libplasma-geolocation-interface4 libplasmaclock4abi3
libplasmagenericshell4 libprocesscore4abi1 libprocessui4a libsolidcontrol4abi2
libsolidcontrolifaces4abi2 libtaskmanager4abi3 libweather-ion6 plasma-
dataengines-workspace plasma-desktop plasma-netbook plasma-widgets-workspace


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Old 05-04-2012, 05:44 PM
Steve Riley
 
Default Updates 4.8.3

On 2012-05-04 18:53:32 Georgi Kourtev <gkourtev@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I need your advice. I tried to update my 12.04 machine through the PPA
> repository to KDE 4.8.3 but I have the below 32 packages kept back (i.e. not
> upgraded). Is this normal? Should I upgrade the other upgradable packages
> or else? Thanks,

Did you install the upgrades with

sudo apt-get upgrade

or

sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

?

...Steve


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Old 05-04-2012, 06:07 PM
Georgi Kourtev
 
Default Updates 4.8.3

I did sudo apt-get update.

Gk

На 04.05.2012 20:45 "Steve Riley" <stvrly@gmail.com> написа:
On 2012-05-04 18:53:32 Georgi Kourtev <gkourtev@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> I need your advice. I tried to update my 12.04 machine through the PPA

> repository to KDE 4.8.3 but I have the below 32 packages kept back (i.e. not

> upgraded). *Is this normal? Should I upgrade the other upgradable packages

> or else? *Thanks,



Did you install the upgrades with



* sudo apt-get upgrade



or



* sudo apt-get dist-upgrade



?



...Steve





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Old 05-04-2012, 06:22 PM
Steve Riley
 
Default Updates 4.8.3

On 2012-05-04 21:07:56 Georgi Kourtev <gkourtev@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I did sudo apt-get update.

Try again, but this time with dist-upgrade. 4.8.3 installed without incident
on both my laptops using this method.

...Steve


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Old 05-04-2012, 06:56 PM
Georgi Kourtev
 
Default Updates 4.8.3

Thanks.* What is the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade?

Fk

На 04.05.2012 21:23 "Steve Riley" <stvrly@gmail.com> написа:
On 2012-05-04 21:07:56 Georgi Kourtev <gkourtev@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> I did sudo apt-get update.



Try again, but this time with dist-upgrade. 4.8.3 installed without incident

on both my laptops using this method.



...Steve





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Old 05-04-2012, 07:16 PM
Georgi Kourtev
 
Default Updates 4.8.3

On Friday 04 May 2012 11:22:25 Steve Riley wrote:
> On 2012-05-04 21:07:56 Georgi Kourtev <gkourtev@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I did sudo apt-get update.
>
> Try again, but this time with dist-upgrade. 4.8.3 installed without incident
> on both my laptops using this method.
>
> ...Steve

Ah, here i found a good explanation, though it does not state what is better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool
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Old 05-04-2012, 07:39 PM
Clay Weber
 
Default Updates 4.8.3

On Friday, May 04, 2012 10:16:19 PM Georgi Kourtev wrote:
> On Friday 04 May 2012 11:22:25 Steve Riley wrote:
> > On 2012-05-04 21:07:56 Georgi Kourtev <gkourtev@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I did sudo apt-get update.
> >
> > Try again, but this time with dist-upgrade. 4.8.3 installed without
> > incident on both my laptops using this method.
> >
> > ...Steve
>
> Ah, here i found a good explanation, though it does not state what is
> better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool
> gk
apt-get upgrade will upgrade you to newer package versions, but *not* install
new ones (new kernel, etc)

Dist-upgrade does this plus installs any new packages, say a new kernel
version, or perhaps a new dependency one of the packages needs.

Ubuntu's packaging, and Kubuntu's KDE updates from the ppa in particular, are
geared towards the dist-upgrade method as there are often new or renamed
items that go with the new software.

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Old 05-04-2012, 07:42 PM
Steve Riley
 
Default Updates 4.8.3

On 2012-05-04 22:16:19 Georgi Kourtev <gkourtev@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ah, here i found a good explanation, though it does not state what is
> better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool

(...sending again, omitted the list in my response...)

In my experience, "dist-upgrade" is more complete than "upgrade," because it
can handle cases where dependencies bring in new packages that don't already
exist.

For example, say you currently have package foo:1.0 installed. foo:1.0 has no
dependencies. Now it's time to upgrade to foo:1.1, and this version has a new
dependency on bar:0.9. "apt-get upgrade" will hold foo back, because bar is
currently not installed on your machine. "apt-get dist-upgrade" includes a
dependency resolver and will not only upgrade foo:1.0 to foo:1.1 but also
install bar:0.9.

...Steve

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Old 05-05-2012, 08:00 AM
"O. Sinclair"
 
Default Updates 4.8.3

On 04/05/12 21:42, Steve Riley wrote:

On 2012-05-04 22:16:19 Georgi Kourtev<gkourtev@gmail.com> wrote:


Ah, here i found a good explanation, though it does not state what is
better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool


(...sending again, omitted the list in my response...)

In my experience, "dist-upgrade" is more complete than "upgrade," because it
can handle cases where dependencies bring in new packages that don't already
exist.

For example, say you currently have package foo:1.0 installed. foo:1.0 has no
dependencies. Now it's time to upgrade to foo:1.1, and this version has a new
dependency on bar:0.9. "apt-get upgrade" will hold foo back, because bar is
currently not installed on your machine. "apt-get dist-upgrade" includes a
dependency resolver and will not only upgrade foo:1.0 to foo:1.1 but also
install bar:0.9.


for an upgrade of KDE dist-upgrade should not be necessary as it does
not involve kernel etc. I did mine via normal upgrade and all went well.


I suspect a problem with local mirrors or some earlier upgrade not
completed.





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Old 05-05-2012, 03:13 PM
Clay Weber
 
Default Updates 4.8.3

On Saturday, May 05, 2012 10:00:48 AM O. Sinclair wrote:
> On 04/05/12 21:42, Steve Riley wrote:
> > On 2012-05-04 22:16:19 Georgi Kourtev<gkourtev@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Ah, here i found a good explanation, though it does not state what is
> >> better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Packaging_Tool
> >
> > (...sending again, omitted the list in my response...)
> >
> > In my experience, "dist-upgrade" is more complete than "upgrade," because
> > it can handle cases where dependencies bring in new packages that don't
> > already exist.
> >
> > For example, say you currently have package foo:1.0 installed. foo:1.0 has
> > no dependencies. Now it's time to upgrade to foo:1.1, and this version
> > has a new dependency on bar:0.9. "apt-get upgrade" will hold foo back,
> > because bar is currently not installed on your machine. "apt-get
> > dist-upgrade" includes a dependency resolver and will not only upgrade
> > foo:1.0 to foo:1.1 but also install bar:0.9.
>
> for an upgrade of KDE dist-upgrade should not be necessary as it does
> not involve kernel etc. I did mine via normal upgrade and all went well.
>
> I suspect a problem with local mirrors or some earlier upgrade not
> completed.

Incorrect, as upgrading to KDE 4.8.3 requires a couple of new packages to be
installed. A stock setup may not require it, but it is quite possible some
added KDE bits may need some.
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