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Old 02-23-2012, 12:50 PM
Pablo Carbonell-Klempt
 
Default Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst)

Hello Neil,

Maybe this could throw some light on the subject:


http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi


You may definitively look for another distro and desktop.*




Cheers,

Pablo Carbonell-Klempt



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Old 02-23-2012, 01:21 PM
Josť Queiroz
 
Default Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst)

I see that Digital Clock is an Akonadi-enabled application. Is there a non-akonadi-enabled similar widget, so one can have a mere clock on its panel, without having to bear the beast, also?


Em 23 de fevereiro de 2012 11:50, Pablo Carbonell-Klempt <pcklempt@gmail.com> escreveu:

Hello Neil,

Maybe this could throw some light on the subject:



http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi



You may definitively look for another distro and desktop.*






Cheers,

Pablo Carbonell-Klempt




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Old 02-23-2012, 04:54 PM
Neil Winchurst
 
Default Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst)

On 23/02/12 13:50, Pablo Carbonell-Klempt wrote:
> Hello Neil,
>
> Maybe this could throw some light on the subject:
>
> http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi
>
> You may definitively look for another distro and desktop.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pablo Carbonell-Klempt
>

Thanks for that. I do not use any of the programs or widgets that
need/use akonadi. I have also made sure that akonadi is not started at
log in. That is fine, but what annoys me is that I cannot simply remove
it. The whole advantage of Linux to me is that I should be able to
remove any package which I don't want. This appears not to be possible
with akonadi without causing a lot of trouble. IMO that is not how Linux
programs should be. Just my personal opinion.

Thanks

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Old 02-23-2012, 05:07 PM
Mark Greenwood
 
Default Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst)

On 23 Feb 2012, at 17:54, Neil Winchurst wrote:

> On 23/02/12 13:50, Pablo Carbonell-Klempt wrote:
>> Hello Neil,
>>
>> Maybe this could throw some light on the subject:
>>
>> http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi
>>
>> You may definitively look for another distro and desktop.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Pablo Carbonell-Klempt
>>
>
> Thanks for that. I do not use any of the programs or widgets that
> need/use akonadi. I have also made sure that akonadi is not started at
> log in. That is fine, but what annoys me is that I cannot simply remove
> it. The whole advantage of Linux to me is that I should be able to
> remove any package which I don't want. This appears not to be possible
> with akonadi without causing a lot of trouble. IMO that is not how Linux
> programs should be. Just my personal opinion.
>

Well that's not strictly true, though I understand where you're coming from. But you can't just remove any package you don't want - things have dependencies, that's how packaging works. Applications can be removed yes, but core system components (which Akonadi is) cannot just be removed without breaking everything that requires it. Try removing any of the other core desktop components - I'm not a great fan of udev for example but if I want my hardware to work I can't remove it.

If you really want KDE without Akonadi you can still choose to do it, although that would probably require building KDE from source. Packagers have to make decisions about dependencies and making Akonadi optional is just not possible given how much of a core component it now is.

Mark


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Old 02-23-2012, 05:10 PM
Josť Queiroz
 
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Em 23 de fevereiro de 2012 15:54, Neil Winchurst <barnaby@drofle.co.uk> escreveu:

On 23/02/12 13:50, Pablo Carbonell-Klempt wrote:
Just my personal opinion.


You're not alone.

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Old 02-23-2012, 05:15 PM
Steve Riley
 
Default Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst)

On 2012-02-23 12:21:37 Josť Queiroz <zekkerj@gmail.com> wrote:

> I see that Digital Clock is an Akonadi-enabled application. Is there a

> non-akonadi-enabled similar widget, so one can have a mere clock on its

> panel, without having to bear the beast, also?

*

Open KRunner (Alt+F2) and click the wrench. Deselect "Calendar Events." Now, the clock will no longer start Akonadi.

*

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Old 02-23-2012, 05:24 PM
Josť Queiroz
 
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Em 23 de fevereiro de 2012 16:07, Mark Greenwood <fatgerman@gmail.com> escreveu:



Well that's not strictly true, though I understand where you're coming from. But you can't just remove any package you don't want - things have dependencies, that's how packaging works. Applications can be removed yes, but core system components (which Akonadi is) cannot just be removed without breaking everything that requires it. Try removing any of the other core desktop components - I'm not a great fan of udev for example but if I want my hardware to work I can't remove it.




If you really want KDE without Akonadi you can still choose to do it, although that would probably require building KDE from source. Packagers have to make decisions about dependencies and making Akonadi optional is just not possible given how much of a core component it now is.




Mark



Hi Mark,

Now I ask you to analyse my situation: I don't use Kmail, neither, Kcontact, neither any of the components that need Akonadi. In fact, the only personal information stored in my computers are my files.


Indeed, the only application that is dependant of Akonadi that I use is... digital clock. Which I want to use as... a digital clock. Not as an advanced personal agenda. So, it would be nice if I had an option to have only the time in screen, without having to start a full database server along with it.


I'm very happy that KDE is able to offer this kind of* tool, it may be very useful to many people. But I beg you to understand that I'm not happy on being obligated to use akonadi. The fact that it is a great piece of code doesn't change the fact that I don't need it (nor am I saying that the fact that I don't need it makes it a bad software).



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Old 02-23-2012, 05:30 PM
Mark Greenwood
 
Default Akonadi etc (Neil Winchurst)

On 23 Feb 2012, at 18:24, Josť Queiroz wrote:

Em 23 de fevereiro de 2012 16:07, Mark Greenwood <fatgerman@gmail.com> escreveu:



Well that's not strictly true, though I understand where you're coming from. But you can't just remove any package you don't want - things have dependencies, that's how packaging works. Applications can be removed yes, but core system components (which Akonadi is) cannot just be removed without breaking everything that requires it. Try removing any of the other core desktop components - I'm not a great fan of udev for example but if I want my hardware to work I can't remove it.




If you really want KDE without Akonadi you can still choose to do it, although that would probably require building KDE from source. Packagers have to make decisions about dependencies and making Akonadi optional is just not possible given how much of a core component it now is.




Mark



Hi Mark,

Now I ask you to analyse my situation: I don't use Kmail, neither, Kcontact, neither any of the components that need Akonadi. In fact, the only personal information stored in my computers are my files.


Indeed, the only application that is dependant of Akonadi that I use is... digital clock. Which I want to use as... a digital clock. Not as an advanced personal agenda. So, it would be nice if I had an option to have only the time in screen, without having to start a full database server along with it.


I'm very happy that KDE is able to offer this kind of* tool, it may be very useful to many people. But I beg you to understand that I'm not happy on being obligated to use akonadi. The fact that it is a great piece of code doesn't change the fact that I don't need it (nor am I saying that the fact that I don't need it makes it a bad software).

Well OK you use it as you see fit, but the designer of the digital clock decided that it would be great to link it to the calendar. This requires Akonadi. So the clock requires Akonadi. There's a big difference between making a component optional and solving the often highly complex dependency requirements when it comes to packaging software. In this case it seems those problems are not easily resolvable and so the digital clock has Akonadi as a dependency. So if you remove Akonadi the package manager will remove the digital clock also. You can always force the package manager to remove only the packages you tell it to remove, but then your system might become unstable. Take the good with the bad.
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Old 02-24-2012, 08:41 AM
Neil Winchurst
 
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On 23/02/12 18:07, Mark Greenwood wrote:
>
>> Thanks for that. I do not use any of the programs or widgets that
>> need/use akonadi. I have also made sure that akonadi is not started at
>> log in. That is fine, but what annoys me is that I cannot simply remove
>> it. The whole advantage of Linux to me is that I should be able to
>> remove any package which I don't want. This appears not to be possible
>> with akonadi without causing a lot of trouble. IMO that is not how Linux
>> programs should be. Just my personal opinion.
>>
>
> Well that's not strictly true, though I understand where you're coming from. But you can't just remove any package you don't want - things have dependencies, that's how packaging works. Applications can be removed yes, but core system components (which Akonadi is) cannot just be removed without breaking everything that requires it. Try removing any of the other core desktop components - I'm not a great fan of udev for example but if I want my hardware to work I can't remove it.
>
> If you really want KDE without Akonadi you can still choose to do it, although that would probably require building KDE from source. Packagers have to make decisions about dependencies and making Akonadi optional is just not possible given how much of a core component it now is.
>
> Mark
>

Thanks, I should have made it clear that I was talking about packages
not core programs. I had not realised that akonadi was such a core
program. Anyway, I don't use it or any or the packages which require it
so I suppose I can just ignore it.

I do wonder why akonadi was written in the first place. Was it something
that users had been asking for?

Neil

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Old 02-24-2012, 08:42 AM
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On 23/02/12 18:30, Mark Greenwood wrote:
>

>
> Well OK you use it as you see fit, but the designer of the digital clock
> decided that it would be great to link it to the calendar. This requires
> Akonadi. So the clock requires Akonadi. There's a big difference between
> making a component optional and solving the often highly complex
> dependency requirements when it comes to packaging software. In this
> case it seems those problems are not easily resolvable and so the
> digital clock has Akonadi as a dependency. So if you remove Akonadi the
> package manager will remove the digital clock also. You can always force
> the package manager to remove only the packages you tell it to remove,
> but then your system might become unstable. Take the good with the bad.
>
> Mark
>

Are there no other digital clock widgets around that don't require akonadi?

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