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Old 02-08-2012, 01:11 AM
Basil Chupin
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

On 08/02/12 10:30, Ryan Gauger wrote:

On 02/07/2012 06:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

Jonathan Riddell wrote:


Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be
funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat
Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as
Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with
infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE
as well.


http://lwn.net/Articles/479710/

I am sorry about this. Canonical did treat Kubuntu as though it was
higher (which it was in my opinion) than any other Ubuntu derivative.
In my opinion, Kubuntu is the best Linux distribution that uses KDE by
default. KDE in my opinion is beautiful, and with the OS X Lion
default space wallpaper, it looks as attractive as OS X Lion. No other
desktop environment (or distribution) is as beautiful as KDE or
Kubuntu either.



You like this?:

http://picpaste.com/wallpaper1-yUaQhpKx.jpg

or this one?:

http://picpaste.com/wallpaper2-SJaVwQQD.jpg

KDE desktop certainly (KDE 4.8 in fact) - but *not* Kubuntu.

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Old 02-08-2012, 02:26 AM
Leslie Anne Chatterton
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

Basil,


As I understand it Canonical makes nothing from any of their distros directly. Their income stream comes from selling support, mainly to corporate users, although anyone can buy a package. We are simply the alpha (for the truly adventurous), beta (for the curious) and final release testers. In return for the dedicated few filing bug reports the rest of us get a good product at an unbeatable price. MS must be green with envy that Canonical doesn't have to pay people to test their software!



For reasons not made public Mark S. et al believe that Ubuntu is the platform most acceptable to the big market so it gets the lion's share of attention.


Sent from my Motorola Xoom Android tablet

On Feb 7, 2012 7:31 PM, "Basil Chupin" <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
On 08/02/12 05:05, Jonathan Riddell wrote:


I am sorry to say that I can't help but see a very nasty move from

Canonical here. The timing speaks for itself, after including Kubuntu as

a full citizen with a LTS release, Canonical "pulls the plug" few weeks

before it's actually out.


The subject line here is misleading, "pulls the plug" isn't entirely

right, it won't get the same resources but it can still continue with

the same resouces canonical gives to other community flavours.




What happened for them to suddenly realize

they couldn't afford to keep one developer on Kubuntu ?


It's rational business sense not to spend money on something that

isn't making money.






Ah, and so all the other flavours ARE making money, especially Ubuntu with Unity? Give us a break :-) .....



And sorry to see you lose your job :-( .



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Old 02-08-2012, 02:48 AM
Basil Chupin
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

On 08/02/12 14:26, Leslie Anne Chatterton wrote:


Basil,

As I understand it Canonical makes nothing from any of their distros
directly. Their income stream comes from selling support, mainly to
corporate users, although anyone can buy a package. We are simply the
alpha (for the truly adventurous), beta (for the curious) and final
release testers. In return for the dedicated few filing bug reports
the rest of us get a good product at an unbeatable price. MS must be
green with envy that Canonical doesn't have to pay people to test
their software!


For reasons not made public Mark S. et al believe that Ubuntu is the
platform most acceptable to the big market so it gets the lion's share
of attention.




Thank you for your input and explanation which is greatly appreciated.


Sent from my Motorola Xoom Android tablet



I am wondering: does this Android tablet of yours use Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
Asking because this is the first time I am "hearing" about this Motorola
tablet.


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Old 02-08-2012, 03:05 AM
Jerry Lapham
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:26:22 PM Leslie Anne Chatterton wrote:

> MS must be green with envy that Canonical doesn't have to pay people to
> test their software!

The common complaint is that MS doesn't either. :-)

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Old 02-08-2012, 03:51 AM
Billie Walsh
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

On 02/07/2012 09:48 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

I am wondering: does this Android tablet of yours use Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
Asking because this is the first time I am "hearing" about this Motorola
tablet.

BC


Android is an operating system.

There's a version of Android for Intel Atom based netbooks. Worked
pretty well on my Asus EeePC


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Old 02-08-2012, 04:18 AM
Leslie Anne Chatterton
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

Basil,


No, my tablet uses Google's Android Honeycomb 3.2. You don't hear much about it because sales were disappointing even though it was "best of show" at CES 2011. That often seems to be the kiss of death - remember the Palm Pre? I thought so...



This tablet came with Honeycomb 3.0.1 and two updates have brought it to where it is now - fully functional and fun to use. All the new Android versions have dessert names, and numbers: this one will be updated to ICS (Ice Cream Sandwich, version 4.0) at some time in the near future.



As Billie has stated there is an Android for PC's though not an official one, i. e. don't expect it to work. There is also an unofficial port of Ubuntu to phones and tablets. I don't have it and wouldn't want it. I'm just not that adventurous!



Kubuntu 11.10 lives on my Wind netbook, 3 home brew and ancient desktop PC's and a Gateway laptop. With very few exceptions I've found Kubuntu very stable, visually attractive and useful. I'll use it forever, but I wouldn't mind slightly less frequent new versions. I'm looking forward to Precise 12.04 in April. With 5 years support it's a keeper.



Sent from my Motorola Xoom Android tablet

On Feb 7, 2012 10:50 PM, "Basil Chupin" <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
On 08/02/12 14:26, Leslie Anne Chatterton wrote:




Basil,



As I understand it Canonical makes nothing from any of their distros directly. Their income stream comes from selling support, mainly to corporate users, although anyone can buy a package. We are simply the alpha (for the truly adventurous), beta (for the curious) and final release testers. In return for the dedicated few filing bug reports the rest of us get a good product at an unbeatable price. MS must be green with envy that Canonical doesn't have to pay people to test their software!




For reasons not made public Mark S. et al believe that Ubuntu is the platform most acceptable to the big market so it gets the lion's share of attention.






Thank you for your input and explanation which is greatly appreciated.




Sent from my Motorola Xoom Android tablet






I am wondering: does this Android tablet of yours use Ubuntu or Kubuntu? Asking because this is the first time I am "hearing" about this Motorola tablet.



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Old 02-08-2012, 04:45 AM
Billie Walsh
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

On 02/07/2012 11:18 PM, Leslie Anne Chatterton wrote:

As Billie has stated there is an Android for PC's though not an official
one, i. e. don't expect it to work.


I downloaded the CD and booted my Asus on it. Worked like a charm. Just
a bit weird. You can tell it's a cell phone/tablet OS. My Asus EeePC
doesn't have a touch screen and Android is definitely meant for a touch
screen.




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Old 02-08-2012, 05:03 AM
Leslie Anne Chatterton
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

Billie,

I looked at the Android-X86 website but there was nothing specific for
any computers I have. I may try one out just for fun!

On 8 February 2012 00:45, Billie Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net> wrote:
> On 02/07/2012 11:18 PM, Leslie Anne Chatterton wrote:
>>
>> As Billie has stated there is an Android for PC's though not an official
>> one, i. e. don't expect it to work.
>
>
> I downloaded the CD and booted my Asus on it. Worked like a charm. Just a
> bit weird. You can tell it's a cell phone/tablet OS. My Asus EeePC doesn't
> have a touch screen and Android is definitely meant for a touch screen.
>
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:15 AM
"O. Sinclair"
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

On 07/02/12 20:05, Jonathan Riddell wrote:

I am sorry to say that I can't help but see a very nasty move from
Canonical here. The timing speaks for itself, after including Kubuntu as
a full citizen with a LTS release, Canonical "pulls the plug" few weeks
before it's actually out.


The subject line here is misleading, "pulls the plug" isn't entirely
right, it won't get the same resources but it can still continue with
the same resouces canonical gives to other community flavours.


What happened for them to suddenly realize
they couldn't afford to keep one developer on Kubuntu ?


It's rational business sense not to spend money on something that
isn't making money.


In any case I am sticking with Kubuntu which is becoming better with
every release, and all my friends and family will be shifting from
Ubuntu to Kubuntu with the coming LTS release.




Have been using Kubuntu since 7.04 and dumped Windows from my PC
somewhere around 7.10 I think (can't really remember any longer..). I
(or we rather) use Kubuntu versions from 8.04 and up on a number of
desktops and laptops.


While there has been more problems with some versions than with others
(I still fondly remember 9.10 as "plain working") and I am the only one
using 11.10 I still think it is a great KDE distro. Have never
understood the whole "it is the worst/bad KDE" bla bla bla.


Would like to thank Jonathan for his hard work and for regularly
interacting with the users on this list, not a too common feature among
packagers/developers in my experience.


NOW - I am convinced that Kubuntu will survive as a "community distro"
as so many other distros do. And all other "flavors" of Ubuntu do..
There is a large (I believe) community around Kubuntu that keeps various
PPA's going and that assist in finding bugs etc.


So I hope and believe the "doom and gloom" writing is a bit
overdramatising the situation. We have a LTS release coming up, let's
see how that comes out and then what happens next.


Best to all of you,
Sinclair

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Old 02-08-2012, 10:51 AM
Sid Boyce
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

On 08/02/12 03:26, kubuntu-users-request@lists.ubuntu.com wrote:
------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012
16:19:27 -0500 From: doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> To:
kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Canonical pulls the plug
on Kubuntu Message-ID: <4F31955F.5070701@optonline.net> Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 02/07/2012 09:27 AM,
Thomas K Gamble wrote:

According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably accurate
representation)

http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/

Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor installs.

Rather surprising, imho.

/snip/

I looked at Kubuntu about a year ago. It was the absolute worst
rendition of KDE that I have ever seen.
It's no wonder nobody wants it!

--doug

I use Kubuntu 11.10 on 2 x86_64 boxes, Unity 11.10 on a BeagleBoard ARM
platform and Unity on 12.04 on a x86_64 laptop run from a USB stick.


I also run 3 openSUSE 12.2 Milestone 0 boxes with KDE.

Unity is not nice, to put it politely and I don't see where it's heading.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with KDE and I for one prefer it.

I know there were scathing comments when KDE4 was introduced, that was
in spite of the clear warnings given by the developers that the
intention was to get it out there to receive bug reports, etc.
There was no distro that forced it on users but as usual the barbs came
in spades and I'm sure they were expected.


There were useful bug reports and observations fed back which led to
fixes and improvements, the barbs duly consigned to the waste bin where
they belonged though some may have been helpful.
The developers knew the state of the code and users were forewarned even
if they didn't heed the caveats issued.

Regards
Sid.

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