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Old 02-07-2012, 01:38 PM
Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Thomas K Gamble <tkg@lanl.gov> wrote:
> According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably accurate
> representation)
>
> http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/
>
> Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor installs.

Uh.... so... we are pretty much alone for not being able to tolerate
Unity? I mean... I deeply dislike Unity. And even though I have found
several "rough edges" on KDE, I like it.

On the other hand, I have never registered on that site... maybe we
should register to increase the numbers?

>
> Rather surprising, imho.
>
> On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 07:55:53 AM Billie Walsh wrote:
>> On 02/07/2012 06:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
>> > Jonathan Riddell wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be
>> > funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat
>> > Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as
>> > Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with
>> > infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE
>> > as well.
>> >
>> >
>> > http://lwn.net/Articles/479710/
>>
>> Reading down through the comments at the bottom of the article I think I
>> can agree with several of the comments. I don't claim to be any sort of
>> expert on the politics and inner workings of Canonical, but it has
>> always sort of seemed to me that Canonical has treated Kubuntu as a "red
>> headed step-child". They put it out there and didn't commit to it as
>> fully as they should if they were really serious about it.
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>
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:40 PM
Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

Ok, somebody should keep the distro names up-to-date there... there is
no 10.10 option!, newest is Lucid (10.04).

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
<ildefonso.camargo@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Thomas K Gamble <tkg@lanl.gov> wrote:
>> According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably accurate
>> representation)
>>
>> http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/
>>
>> Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor installs.
>
> Uh.... so... we are pretty much alone for not being able to tolerate
> Unity? I mean... I deeply dislike Unity. *And even though I have found
> several "rough edges" on KDE, I like it.
>
> On the other hand, I have never registered on that site... maybe we
> should register to increase the numbers?
>
>>
>> Rather surprising, imho.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 07:55:53 AM Billie Walsh wrote:
>>> On 02/07/2012 06:16 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:
>>> > Jonathan Riddell wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be
>>> > funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat
>>> > Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as
>>> > Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with
>>> > infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE
>>> > as well.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > http://lwn.net/Articles/479710/
>>>
>>> Reading down through the comments at the bottom of the article I think I
>>> can agree with several of the comments. I don't claim to be any sort of
>>> expert on the politics and inner workings of Canonical, but it has
>>> always sort of seemed to me that Canonical has treated Kubuntu as a "red
>>> headed step-child". They put it out there and didn't commit to it as
>>> fully as they should if they were really serious about it.
>> --
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>> Research Technologist, System/Network Administrator
>> Chemical Diagnostics and Engineering (C-CDE)
>> Los Alamos National Laboratory
>> MS-E543,p:505-665-4323 f:505-665-4267
>>
>> "There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full."
>> * *Henry Kissinger
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:44 PM
Sarunas Burdulis
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

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On 02/07/2012 09:27 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote:
> According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably
> accurate representation)
>
> http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/
>
> Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor
> installs.

I wouldn't assume much of a representation to the stats there. And the
latest is for Lucid... KDE4 has progressed quite a bit since then.

KDE/Gnome package updates' download stats from Ubuntu servers might
give a better picture.

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Old 02-07-2012, 02:10 PM
Thomas K Gamble
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:44:55 AM Sarunas Burdulis wrote:
> On 02/07/2012 09:27 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote:
> > According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably
> > accurate representation)
> >
> > http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/
> >
> > Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor
> > installs.
>
> I wouldn't assume much of a representation to the stats there. And the
> latest is for Lucid... KDE4 has progressed quite a bit since then.

True, it's not the best data since it's voluntary reporting and not many
participate. Linux counter is not much better at about 6.4% of the Ubuntu
flavor installs. https://linuxcounter.net/distributions/stats.html

Just theorizing as to their rationalization. Usage vs cost of support.

Personnaly, I think there'd be wider usage if they put a little more effort
into it. The lack of support (for the user bases concerns) and attention to
useability issues is what has hurt kubuntu adoption.

>
> KDE/Gnome package updates' download stats from Ubuntu servers might
> give a better picture.

I didn't have much luck digging up those stats.

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Old 02-07-2012, 02:16 PM
Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

Well, lets also consider that some people doesn't really understand
what kubuntu is, and they just think that it is Ubuntu with KDE
installed, and so, if you ask them what they use, they'll answer
"Ubuntu", instead of Kubuntu.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Thomas K Gamble <tkg@lanl.gov> wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:44:55 AM Sarunas Burdulis wrote:
>> On 02/07/2012 09:27 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote:
>> > According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably
>> > accurate representation)
>> >
>> > http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/
>> >
>> > Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor
>> > installs.
>>
>> I wouldn't assume much of a representation to the stats there. And the
>> latest is for Lucid... KDE4 has progressed quite a bit since then.
>
> True, it's not the best data since it's voluntary reporting and not many
> participate. *Linux counter is not much better at about 6.4% of the Ubuntu
> flavor installs. https://linuxcounter.net/distributions/stats.html
>
> Just theorizing as to their rationalization. *Usage vs cost of support.
>
> Personnaly, I think there'd be wider usage if they put a little more effort
> into it. *The lack of support (for the user bases concerns) and attention to
> useability issues is what has hurt kubuntu adoption.
>
>>
>> KDE/Gnome package updates' download stats from Ubuntu servers might
>> give a better picture.
>
> I didn't have much luck digging up those stats.
>
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>
> "There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full."
> * *Henry Kissinger
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:43 PM
Josť Queiroz
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

I cannot avoid thinking that Canonical is trying to avoid that users run away from Unity to KDE.

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Old 02-07-2012, 02:44 PM
Mark Greenwood
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

On 7 Feb 2012, at 15:10, Thomas K Gamble wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:44:55 AM Sarunas Burdulis wrote:
>> On 02/07/2012 09:27 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote:
>>> According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably
>>> accurate representation)
>>>
>>> http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/
>>>
>>> Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor
>>> installs.
>>
>> I wouldn't assume much of a representation to the stats there. And the
>> latest is for Lucid... KDE4 has progressed quite a bit since then.
>
> True, it's not the best data since it's voluntary reporting and not many
> participate. Linux counter is not much better at about 6.4% of the Ubuntu
> flavor installs. https://linuxcounter.net/distributions/stats.html
>
> Just theorizing as to their rationalization. Usage vs cost of support.
>
> Personnaly, I think there'd be wider usage if they put a little more effort
> into it. The lack of support (for the user bases concerns) and attention to
> useability issues is what has hurt kubuntu adoption.

I'd agree, but I'd also rephrase that to say that what has hurt Kubuntu adoption is KDE. After all, Canonical are not responsible for things like KDE PIM, or for bug fixes, or for usability issues - they just package what KDE deliver. Garbage in, garbage out.

But I think what has hurt it the most is the religious adherence to a six-month release cycle, which has resulted in things being released long before they are ready for general use (anybody remember the early KDE4 releases?). I think it's pretty ridiculous to try to stick to a release schedule when the software you are releasing is mostly written by enthusiasts in their spare time. Perhaps a more Debian-like approach, when coupled with the more user-friendly aspects of Kubuntu, would result in better take up.

Mark

>
>>
>> KDE/Gnome package updates' download stats from Ubuntu servers might
>> give a better picture.
>
> I didn't have much luck digging up those stats.
>
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>
> "There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full."
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Old 02-07-2012, 03:08 PM
Pastor JW
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:55:53 am Billie Walsh wrote:
> I don't claim to be any sort of
> expert on the politics and inner workings of Canonical, but it has
> always sort of seemed to me that Canonical has treated Kubuntu as a "red
> headed step-child". They put it out there and didn't commit to it as
> fully as they should if they were really serious about it.

For some unknown reason Ubuntu has been feverishly working at trying to make
Ubuntu totally unusable. If I were a conspiracy theorist I'd almost swear
some borg company was paying them to sabotage Ubuntu into becoming as unusable
as the borg is. Ubuntu still is usable with KDE installed on it, so of course
it must be dropped.

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Old 02-07-2012, 03:30 PM
Dale Trombley
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

By all means we'll miss Johnathan and his contributions but how else is this really gonna hurt Kubuntu? I don't see cononical doing much for Kubuntu other than giving us the great Ubuntu base, which all the other derivatives get too.


On Feb 7, 2012 10:46 AM, "Mark Greenwood" <fatgerman@gmail.com> wrote:


On 7 Feb 2012, at 15:10, Thomas K Gamble wrote:



> On Tuesday, February 07, 2012 09:44:55 AM Sarunas Burdulis wrote:

>> On 02/07/2012 09:27 AM, Thomas K Gamble wrote:

>>> According to Ubuntu Counter (assuming theire stats are a reasonably

>>> accurate representation)

>>>

>>> http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/

>>>

>>> Kubuntu only accounts for 2% of the various Ubuntu flavor

>>> installs.

>>

>> I wouldn't assume much of a representation to the stats there. And the

>> latest is for Lucid... KDE4 has progressed quite a bit since then.

>

> True, it's not the best data since it's voluntary reporting and not many

> participate. *Linux counter is not much better at about 6.4% of the Ubuntu

> flavor installs. https://linuxcounter.net/distributions/stats.html

>

> Just theorizing as to their rationalization. *Usage vs cost of support.

>

> Personnaly, I think there'd be wider usage if they put a little more effort

> into it. *The lack of support (for the user bases concerns) and attention to

> useability issues is what has hurt kubuntu adoption.



I'd agree, but I'd also rephrase that to say that what has hurt Kubuntu adoption is KDE. After all, Canonical are not responsible for things like KDE PIM, or for bug fixes, or for usability issues - *they just package what KDE deliver. Garbage in, garbage out.




But I think what has hurt it the most is the religious adherence to a six-month release cycle, which has resulted in things being released long before they are ready for general use (anybody remember the early KDE4 releases?). I think it's pretty ridiculous to try to stick to a release schedule when the software you are releasing is mostly written by enthusiasts in their spare time. Perhaps a more Debian-like approach, when coupled with the more user-friendly aspects of Kubuntu, would result in better take up.




Mark



>

>>

>> KDE/Gnome package updates' download stats from Ubuntu servers might

>> give a better picture.

>

> I didn't have much luck digging up those stats.

>

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> MS-E543,p:505-665-4323 f:505-665-4267

>

> "There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full."

> * *Henry Kissinger

>

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Old 02-07-2012, 03:44 PM
Sid Boyce
 
Default Canonical pulls the plug on Kubuntu

On 07/02/12 15:10, kubuntu-users-request@lists.ubuntu.com wrote:

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Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:16:22 +1100
From: Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au>
To: Kubuntu user technical support<kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
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Jonathan Riddell wrote:


Today I bring the disappointing news that Canonical will no longer be
funding my work on Kubuntu after 12.04. Canonical wants to treat
Kubuntu in the same way as the other community flavors such as
Edubuntu, Lubuntu, and Xubuntu, and support the projects with
infrastructure. This is a big challenge to Kubuntu of course and KDE
as well.


http://lwn.net/Articles/479710/


Not atypical of late.

They have put all faith in Unity and seem hell-bent on sticking to it
despite the absolutely poor reception it is getting.


The hope may be that in time people will get used to Unity but I can see
it as a reason to change distros.

Also think of a new user, it'll be a real turn off.

See all the postings where 100% it's about changing from Unity.

I am running Unity on a laptop using a USB stick, it is a recipe for RSI.

I downloaded Kubuntu 12.04 a few hours ago to install to a 1G HD for the
same laptop. This news means it doesn't get installed and a switch to
another distro, e.g openSUSE which I have on 3 boxes.


Kubuntu/Ubuntu on 3 boxes doesn't hold any longevity for me.

Time to move to another distro that doesn't show such contempt for its
users with an attitude that says they will damn well use what we give them.


Canonical have lost their way and behaving like the proprietary software
companies.

Regards
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