I just upgraded my family to KDE 4.5. Now my wife is pretty unhappy.

Her biggest problem is with kmail. When she looks at a mail message
(double click the entry in the message list) is always shows her the
message structure. Even worse, the frame showing the structure takes
up half the window. She can shrink it to something smaller, but the
next on she looks at has it back to half the window again.

Anyone know what is causing this and how to fix it? Preferably, she
could make it go away entirely. She has no interest in that
structure. She doesn't care that there is a text body part and an
HTML body part. She cares about attachments, but those are displayed
at the top of the message, too.

I have to say I agree with her. That structure pane seems only of
interest to mail geeks. Why should anyone care about it?

Anyway, anyone know how she can get rid of it, or at least make it smaller?

Thanks,

Michael

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Dear Kevin Kofler,

You may wish to check out my Youtube videos at
http://www.youtube.com/user/enmingteo for my Xen pv-ops Dom0 kernels and
also VGA passthrough which were implemented in my Fedora 11 x86_64 home
multimedia desktop tower system (at the time of this writing, there are
20 uploaded videos in my Youtube account).

You may also wish to read my open letter for details on how I managed to
get Xen pv-ops dom0 kernels installed into Fedora 11 (extremely
technical). You will have to dig through my postings at the Xen-devel
mailing list from July 2009 to November 2009.

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On 08/16/2010 11:43 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Mr. Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming) of Singapore wrote:
>
>> I will stick to Fedora 11 at the moment until Fedora 16 or later.
>>
> Uh, Fedora 11 is not supported anymore and it also never had a Xen Dom0
> kernel, pvops or otherwise. The last Fedora release to ship a Xen Dom0
> kernel was Fedora 8, and that was from the old Xen codebase which was
> rejected upstream. The Fedora kernel team stopped shipping the classic Xen
> at that point because they didn't want to spend their time porting non-
> upstream patchsets to the current upstream kernel (and in fact F8's kernel-
> xen lagged significantly behind the main kernel). Xen pvops DomU support was
> ready for F9, but Dom0 support is taking its time to get upstreamed (and the
> Fedora kernel team does not want to use non-upstream patchsets for the same
> reasons they stopped shipping classic Xen). So I'd suggest to use a
> currently supported Fedora release (12 or 13) with the unofficial Dom0
> kernel RPMs out there (built for F12, I don't know if they work on F13).
>
> Kevin Kofler
>
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On 16/08/2010 14:46, Michael Hirsch wrote:
> I just upgraded my family to KDE 4.5. Now my wife is pretty unhappy.
>
> Her biggest problem is with kmail. When she looks at a mail message
> (double click the entry in the message list) is always shows her the
> message structure. Even worse, the frame showing the structure takes
> up half the window. She can shrink it to something smaller, but the
> next on she looks at has it back to half the window again.
>
> Anyone know what is causing this and how to fix it? Preferably, she
> could make it go away entirely. She has no interest in that
> structure. She doesn't care that there is a text body part and an
> HTML body part. She cares about attachments, but those are displayed
> at the top of the message, too.
>
> I have to say I agree with her. That structure pane seems only of
> interest to mail geeks. Why should anyone care about it?
>
> Anyway, anyone know how she can get rid of it, or at least make it smaller?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>

By "message structure" do you mean the Header of the message (showing
From, To, Subject, etc etc)?

If so, then there should be a setting in kmail' preferences to either
see the "Full View" of the header or to see it in "Normal View - or
words to this effect?

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Le Monday 16 August 2010 06.46:08 Michael Hirsch, vous avez écrit (you wrote)
:
> I just upgraded my family to KDE 4.5. Now my wife is pretty unhappy.
>
> Her biggest problem is with kmail. When she looks at a mail message
> (double click the entry in the message list) is always shows her the
> message structure. Even worse, the frame showing the structure takes
> up half the window. She can shrink it to something smaller, but the
> next on she looks at has it back to half the window again.
[snip]

I don't know about KDE 4.5 but under 4.3.2 you find the related radio buttons
under something like (translated from French)
Configuration/Appearance/Lay Out tab/display message structure section

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On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> On 16/08/2010 14:46, Michael Hirsch wrote:
>> I just upgraded my family to KDE 4.5. *Now my wife is pretty unhappy.
>>
>> Her biggest problem is with kmail. *When she looks at a mail message
>> (double click the entry in the message list) is always shows her the
>> message structure. *Even worse, the frame showing the structure takes
>> up half the window. *She can shrink it to something smaller, but the
>> next on she looks at has it back to half the window again.
>>
>> Anyone know what is causing this and how to fix it? *Preferably, she
>> could make it go away entirely. *She has no interest in that
>> structure. *She doesn't care that there is a text body part and an
>> HTML body part. *She cares about attachments, but those are displayed
>> at the top of the message, too.
>>
>> I have to say I agree with her. *That structure pane seems only of
>> interest to mail geeks. *Why should anyone care about it?
>>
>> Anyway, anyone know how she can get rid of it, or at least make it smaller?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Michael
>>
>
> By "message structure" do you mean the Header of the message (showing
> From, To, Subject, etc etc)?
>
> If so, then there should be a setting in kmail' preferences to either
> see the "Full View" of the header or to see it in "Normal View - or
> words to this effect?

No, I mean the part at the bottom of the mail message that tells you
what the structure of the MIME mail is. Often it is a text body, an
html body, and some number of attachments.

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On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Perry <pwhite@bluewin.ch> wrote:
> Le Monday 16 August 2010 06.46:08 Michael Hirsch, vous avez écrit (you wrote)
> :
>> I just upgraded my family to KDE 4.5. *Now my wife is pretty unhappy.
>>
>> Her biggest problem is with kmail. *When she looks at a mail message
>> (double click the entry in the message list) is always shows her the
>> message structure. *Even worse, the frame showing the structure takes
>> up half the window. *She can shrink it to something smaller, but the
>> next on she looks at has it back to half the window again.
> [snip]
>
> I don't know about KDE 4.5 but under 4.3.2 you find the related radio buttons
> under something like (translated from French)
> Configuration/Appearance/Lay Out tab/display message structure section

Thanks Perry. I'll have to see if I can find that--I thought I'd
looked everywhere, but didn't see it.

I solved the problem for now by editing the kmailrc by hand. I found
the MIME structure stuff and said "never". But I'd rather find the
options you mentioned. I'll look when I get home.

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On 17/08/2010 02:54, Michael Hirsch wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>> On 16/08/2010 14:46, Michael Hirsch wrote:
>>
>>> I just upgraded my family to KDE 4.5. Now my wife is pretty unhappy.
>>>
>>> Her biggest problem is with kmail. When she looks at a mail message
>>> (double click the entry in the message list) is always shows her the
>>> message structure. Even worse, the frame showing the structure takes
>>> up half the window. She can shrink it to something smaller, but the
>>> next on she looks at has it back to half the window again.
>>>
>>> Anyone know what is causing this and how to fix it? Preferably, she
>>> could make it go away entirely. She has no interest in that
>>> structure. She doesn't care that there is a text body part and an
>>> HTML body part. She cares about attachments, but those are displayed
>>> at the top of the message, too.
>>>
>>> I have to say I agree with her. That structure pane seems only of
>>> interest to mail geeks. Why should anyone care about it?
>>>
>>> Anyway, anyone know how she can get rid of it, or at least make it smaller?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>> By "message structure" do you mean the Header of the message (showing
>> From, To, Subject, etc etc)?
>>
>> If so, then there should be a setting in kmail' preferences to either
>> see the "Full View" of the header or to see it in "Normal View - or
>> words to this effect?
>>
> No, I mean the part at the bottom of the mail message that tells you
> what the structure of the MIME mail is. Often it is a text body, an
> html body, and some number of attachments.
>
> Michael
>
>
I see. You can't left-click, hold, and drag down (or up or sideways,
whatever) the border(s)?

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On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> On 17/08/2010 02:54, Michael Hirsch wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> *wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/08/2010 14:46, Michael Hirsch wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just upgraded my family to KDE 4.5. *Now my wife is pretty unhappy.
>>>>
>>>> Her biggest problem is with kmail. *When she looks at a mail message
>>>> (double click the entry in the message list) is always shows her the
>>>> message structure. *Even worse, the frame showing the structure takes
>>>> up half the window. *She can shrink it to something smaller, but the
>>>> next on she looks at has it back to half the window again.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know what is causing this and how to fix it? *Preferably, she
>>>> could make it go away entirely. *She has no interest in that
>>>> structure. *She doesn't care that there is a text body part and an
>>>> HTML body part. *She cares about attachments, but those are displayed
>>>> at the top of the message, too.
>>>>
>>>> I have to say I agree with her. *That structure pane seems only of
>>>> interest to mail geeks. *Why should anyone care about it?
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, anyone know how she can get rid of it, or at least make it smaller?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>> By "message structure" do you mean the Header of the message (showing
>>> From, To, Subject, etc etc)?
>>>
>>> If so, then there should be a setting in kmail' preferences to either
>>> see the "Full View" of the header or to see it in "Normal View - or
>>> words to this effect?
>>>
>> No, I mean the part at the bottom of the mail message that tells you
>> what the structure of the MIME mail is. *Often it is a text body, an
>> html body, and some number of attachments.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
> I see. You can't left-click, hold, and drag down (or up or sideways,
> whatever) the border(s)?

Yes, I can do that. But then the next message has them back where
they were. On my personal kmail they are unobtrusively down at the
bottom, taking up very little room. And as a geek I don't mind seeing
them there and getting some insight into how mail is structured, but
on my wife's kmail they take up have the message window. Even I agree
that is intolerable.

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On 17/08/2010 07:46, Michael Hirsch wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>> On 17/08/2010 02:54, Michael Hirsch wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 16/08/2010 14:46, Michael Hirsch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I just upgraded my family to KDE 4.5. Now my wife is pretty unhappy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Her biggest problem is with kmail. When she looks at a mail message
>>>>> (double click the entry in the message list) is always shows her the
>>>>> message structure. Even worse, the frame showing the structure takes
>>>>> up half the window. She can shrink it to something smaller, but the
>>>>> next on she looks at has it back to half the window again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know what is causing this and how to fix it? Preferably, she
>>>>> could make it go away entirely. She has no interest in that
>>>>> structure. She doesn't care that there is a text body part and an
>>>>> HTML body part. She cares about attachments, but those are displayed
>>>>> at the top of the message, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to say I agree with her. That structure pane seems only of
>>>>> interest to mail geeks. Why should anyone care about it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, anyone know how she can get rid of it, or at least make it smaller?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> By "message structure" do you mean the Header of the message (showing
>>>> From, To, Subject, etc etc)?
>>>>
>>>> If so, then there should be a setting in kmail' preferences to either
>>>> see the "Full View" of the header or to see it in "Normal View - or
>>>> words to this effect?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No, I mean the part at the bottom of the mail message that tells you
>>> what the structure of the MIME mail is. Often it is a text body, an
>>> html body, and some number of attachments.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I see. You can't left-click, hold, and drag down (or up or sideways,
>> whatever) the border(s)?
>>
> Yes, I can do that. But then the next message has them back where
> they were. On my personal kmail they are unobtrusively down at the
> bottom, taking up very little room. And as a geek I don't mind seeing
> them there and getting some insight into how mail is structured, but
> on my wife's kmail they take up have the message window. Even I agree
> that is intolerable.
>
> Michael
>
>
OK, getting the picture...

Are you both running the same OS and if so have you done a comparison of
the settings between the two systems? In line with this, are new
messages being opened in the same window or in a separate (new) window?

(Just as an aside, I did read somewhere very recently (as in yesteday I
think) that kmail has gone the hill rather badly recently and that it is
now better to switch over to Thunderbird. Have you considered this?)

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On Tuesday, August 17, 2010 01:28:13 am Basil Chupin wrote:
> On 17/08/2010 07:46, Michael Hirsch wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au>
wrote:
> >> On 17/08/2010 02:54, Michael Hirsch wrote:
> >>> On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au>
wrote:
> >>>> On 16/08/2010 14:46, Michael Hirsch wrote:
> >>>>> I just upgraded my family to KDE 4.5. Now my wife is pretty unhappy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Her biggest problem is with kmail. When she looks at a mail message
> >>>>> (double click the entry in the message list) is always shows her the
> >>>>> message structure. Even worse, the frame showing the structure takes
> >>>>> up half the window. She can shrink it to something smaller, but the
> >>>>> next on she looks at has it back to half the window again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyone know what is causing this and how to fix it? Preferably, she
> >>>>> could make it go away entirely. She has no interest in that
> >>>>> structure. She doesn't care that there is a text body part and an
> >>>>> HTML body part. She cares about attachments, but those are displayed
> >>>>> at the top of the message, too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have to say I agree with her. That structure pane seems only of
> >>>>> interest to mail geeks. Why should anyone care about it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyway, anyone know how she can get rid of it, or at least make it
> >>>>> smaller?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Michael
> >>>>
> >>>> By "message structure" do you mean the Header of the message (showing
> >>>> From, To, Subject, etc etc)?
> >>>>
> >>>> If so, then there should be a setting in kmail' preferences to either
> >>>> see the "Full View" of the header or to see it in "Normal View - or
> >>>> words to this effect?
> >>>
> >>> No, I mean the part at the bottom of the mail message that tells you
> >>> what the structure of the MIME mail is. Often it is a text body, an
> >>> html body, and some number of attachments.
> >>>
> >>> Michael
> >>
> >> I see. You can't left-click, hold, and drag down (or up or sideways,
> >> whatever) the border(s)?
> >
> > Yes, I can do that. But then the next message has them back where
> > they were. On my personal kmail they are unobtrusively down at the
> > bottom, taking up very little room. And as a geek I don't mind seeing
> > them there and getting some insight into how mail is structured, but
> > on my wife's kmail they take up have the message window. Even I agree
> > that is intolerable.
> >
> > Michael
>
> OK, getting the picture...
>
> Are you both running the same OS and if so have you done a comparison of
> the settings between the two systems? In line with this, are new
> messages being opened in the same window or in a separate (new) window?
>
> (Just as an aside, I did read somewhere very recently (as in yesteday I
> think) that kmail has gone the hill rather badly recently and that it is
> now better to switch over to Thunderbird. Have you considered this?)
>
> BC

Sorry for the delay, I was at work until 1 AM, away from my Kubuntu laptop.
I am surprised no one so far has mentioned the toggle to enable/disable this:

View - Show Message Structure - uncheck that

No need to switch email client just yet

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On 17/08/2010 15:44, Clay Weber wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 17, 2010 01:28:13 am Basil Chupin wrote:
>
>> On 17/08/2010 07:46, Michael Hirsch wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au>
>>>
> wrote:
>
>>>> On 17/08/2010 02:54, Michael Hirsch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:58 PM, Basil Chupin<blchupin@iinet.net.au>
>>>>>
> wrote:
>
>>>>>> On 16/08/2010 14:46, Michael Hirsch wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just upgraded my family to KDE 4.5. Now my wife is pretty unhappy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Her biggest problem is with kmail. When she looks at a mail message
>>>>>>> (double click the entry in the message list) is always shows her the
>>>>>>> message structure. Even worse, the frame showing the structure takes
>>>>>>> up half the window. She can shrink it to something smaller, but the
>>>>>>> next on she looks at has it back to half the window again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone know what is causing this and how to fix it? Preferably, she
>>>>>>> could make it go away entirely. She has no interest in that
>>>>>>> structure. She doesn't care that there is a text body part and an
>>>>>>> HTML body part. She cares about attachments, but those are displayed
>>>>>>> at the top of the message, too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have to say I agree with her. That structure pane seems only of
>>>>>>> interest to mail geeks. Why should anyone care about it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, anyone know how she can get rid of it, or at least make it
>>>>>>> smaller?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> By "message structure" do you mean the Header of the message (showing
>>>>>> From, To, Subject, etc etc)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If so, then there should be a setting in kmail' preferences to either
>>>>>> see the "Full View" of the header or to see it in "Normal View - or
>>>>>> words to this effect?
>>>>>>
>>>>> No, I mean the part at the bottom of the mail message that tells you
>>>>> what the structure of the MIME mail is. Often it is a text body, an
>>>>> html body, and some number of attachments.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>> I see. You can't left-click, hold, and drag down (or up or sideways,
>>>> whatever) the border(s)?
>>>>
>>> Yes, I can do that. But then the next message has them back where
>>> they were. On my personal kmail they are unobtrusively down at the
>>> bottom, taking up very little room. And as a geek I don't mind seeing
>>> them there and getting some insight into how mail is structured, but
>>> on my wife's kmail they take up have the message window. Even I agree
>>> that is intolerable.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>> OK, getting the picture...
>>
>> Are you both running the same OS and if so have you done a comparison of
>> the settings between the two systems? In line with this, are new
>> messages being opened in the same window or in a separate (new) window?
>>
>> (Just as an aside, I did read somewhere very recently (as in yesteday I
>> think) that kmail has gone the hill rather badly recently and that it is
>> now better to switch over to Thunderbird. Have you considered this?)
>>
>> BC
>>
> Sorry for the delay, I was at work until 1 AM, away from my Kubuntu laptop.
> I am surprised no one so far has mentioned the toggle to enable/disable this:
>
> View - Show Message Structure - uncheck that
>
> No need to switch email client just yet
>
> Clay Weber
>
:-)

Well, the comment was not directed at this particular problem but was a
general observation about kmail's "general health" - which, it seems
from what I read, is not about to improve. (BTW, I have never used kmail
so have no interest in it one way or the other.)

BC


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