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Old 02-10-2011, 09:22 PM
deloptes
 
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steef wrote:

> hi list, good morning local time.
>
> as a test i installed squeeze with kde4 on a rather fast machine. (my
> working horse runs now on squeeze with xfce4)
>
> the for me surprising fact: the machine is starting up (kde4) very
> slowly. when started up, it (dolphin) runs normally fast.
>
> i read about bugs in the akonadi server if that is the problem (google).
> in earlier days i read something about adapting kde4 into the behavior
> of kde3.
>
> somebody else with the same rather annoying experience? or, did i miss
> (temporarily in the gambia) a complete discussion? and, most important.
> is there a solution for this problem?
>
> regards,
>
> steef

Hi, as I was working with akonadi (developing) recently I thing the problem
in kde4 is the file index engine (stridgi and nepomukserver). You think
it's akonadi, but actually akonadi is the storage for the indexing engine.

So, to make it short. When you start kde4 it starts the indexing engine,
doing a full index of your directories. (If you have more files it takes
time and ressources. If you are patient, on quite fast machine it will fade
off next time you start the desktop). I prefer to disable the indexing
either from the kontrolcenter or from the applet in the panel.

akonadi is not the problem I guess.

regards


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Old 08-26-2011, 04:30 PM
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Are people here using akonadi or any of the tools using the akonadi
framework, in their regular workflow?
(Email, PIM)

Also, the same with Nepomuk. Are people using it or is it just sitting
disabled in everyone's config?

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Old 08-26-2011, 09:28 PM
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On August 26, 2011 10:30:22 AM Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
> Are people here using akonadi or any of the tools using the akonadi
> framework, in their regular workflow?
> (Email, PIM)

Maybe, but not because I want to... at this point I see my options for that
box as: check if KDE-4 can be built without akonadi; Oldstable with
KDE-3.5.10; Stable + Trinity's KDE-3.5.12; not-KDE

> Also, the same with Nepomuk. Are people using it or is it just sitting
> disabled in everyone's config?

Disabled as a service in itself, but it still gets started by akonadi.


AFAICT, ATM: I have no use for the nepomuk/strigi semantic desktop stuff;
Akonadi is just simply overkill for me, and it doesn't help that the box I
currently use for email can't afford the extra/unnecessary overhead (even if
it didn't leave soprano and nepomuk processes lying around after a "ssh -X
host kmail").


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Old 08-26-2011, 09:43 PM
Bruce Sass
 
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On August 26, 2011 03:28:09 PM Bruce Sass wrote:
> if it didn't leave soprano and nepomuk processes lying around after a

hmm, make that, virtuoso and nepomuk...

PID PPID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
25283 1 user 20 0 45388 5772 5364 S 0.0 1.1 0:00.30
/usr/bin/nepomukserver
25293 1 user 39 19 50004 33m 6272 S 0.0 6.7 1:04.17
/usr/bin/virtuoso-t +foreground +configfile /tmp/virtuoso_X25288.ini +wait


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Old 08-27-2011, 08:44 AM
Adrien
 
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Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:

> Are people here using akonadi or any of the tools using the akonadi
> framework, in their regular workflow?
> (Email, PIM)
>
> Also, the same with Nepomuk. Are people using it or is it just sitting
> disabled in everyone's config?

Hi,

I am using it for searching documents and photos (managed by digikam) with
krunner. But it is often buggy unfortunately :-(

Now I am waiting for searching my emails too in krunner :-)

Adrien


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Old 08-27-2011, 08:52 AM
Ritesh Raj Sarraf
 
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Thank you Bruce.

I share the same view. After painfully trying kdepim I finally was
able to switch my workflow with Thunderbird. Then, for the web
browser, I have already switched to chromium/iceweasel.

On 08/27/2011 02:58 AM, Bruce Sass wrote:
> On August 26, 2011 10:30:22 AM Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
>> Are people here using akonadi or any of the tools using the
>> akonadi framework, in their regular workflow? (Email, PIM)
>
> Maybe, but not because I want to... at this point I see my options
> for that box as: check if KDE-4 can be built without akonadi;
> Oldstable with KDE-3.5.10; Stable + Trinity's KDE-3.5.12; not-KDE
>

As a packager, the kde team shouldn't disable that support.
As a user, I just realized yesterday that I should have used equivs
long back.

Even though I was using TB/Chromium combination for some time, the
stray akonadi processes were just a waste.


aptitude reports that kdepim-runtime is the only caller for
akonadi-server. So the dummy package here helps.

18:58:16 rrs@champaran:/tmp/Debian-Build/Result$ aptitude why
akonadi-server
i kdepim-runtime Depends akonadi-server (>= 1.3)


I tried knocking this off too. But kdepim-runtime is required by many
more than just what is reported here.

18:58:25 rrs@champaran:/tmp/Debian-Build/Result$ aptitude why
kdepim-runtime
i kbugbuster Depends kdepim-runtime


>> Also, the same with Nepomuk. Are people using it or is it just
>> sitting disabled in everyone's config?
>
> Disabled as a service in itself, but it still gets started by
> akonadi.
>
>
> AFAICT, ATM: I have no use for the nepomuk/strigi semantic desktop
> stuff; Akonadi is just simply overkill for me, and it doesn't help
> that the box I currently use for email can't afford the
> extra/unnecessary overhead (even if it didn't leave soprano and
> nepomuk processes lying around after a "ssh -X host kmail").
>

Here's what I did.

14:07:13 rrs@champaran:~$ dpkg -l | grep -i akonadi
ii akonadi-server 1.5.3.1-1
<short description; defaults to some wise words>
ii kdepim-runtime 4:4.4.11.1-2
Runtime components for akonadi-kde
ii libakonadi-kabc4 4:4.6.5-1
library for using the Akonadi PIM data server
ii libakonadi-kcal4 4:4.6.5-1
library for using the Akonadi PIM data server
ii libakonadi-kde4 4:4.6.5-1
library for using the Akonadi PIM data server
ii libakonadi-kmime4 4:4.6.5-1
library for using the Akonadi PIM data server
rc libakonadiprivate1 1.4.0-0r2
libraries for the Akonadi PIM storage service
ii libakonadiprotocolinternals1 1.5.3-2
libraries for the Akonadi PIM storage service
ii libmicroblog4 4:4.6.5-1
library for using the Microblog Akonadi Resource


I was able to cut down akonadi installation by almost half. The
libraries couldn't be uninstalled because other kde4 components link
to it.

Create a dummy akonadi-server package with equivs with a version
number greater than the current one in our repository.

Once you do that, you can achieve this:

14:14:33 rrs@champaran:~$ ps aux | grep -i akona
rrs 20444 0.0 0.0 8516 880 pts/3 S+ 14:16 0:00 grep
- --color=auto -i akona


Up till now, I have not seen any crashes because of akonadi missing,
so we should be good to use kde4 while still avoiding all of akonadi.


Hope that helps.


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Old 08-27-2011, 11:25 AM
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On 27/08/11 02:30, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:

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Are people here using akonadi or any of the tools using the akonadi
framework, in their regular workflow?
(Email, PIM)


No. (and thanks for asking)



Also, the same with Nepomuk. Are people using it or is it just sitting
disabled in everyone's config?


Yes (disabled, because it's too hard to remove)



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<snipped>

Much as I love KDE - in Squeeze at least, two of the biggest
disappointments are akonadi and nepomuk/strigi.


At the very least it would be nice if they could be easily removed. Then
maybe users would stop wasting time trying to enable it in
SystemSettings, only to complain that it doesn't work, and that it's
*very* poorly documented.


The 11 million euro[*1] question - why does Refinder[*2] work - but not
Nepomuk??


What happened to the system documentation?? Did the dog eat it? :-(

Nepomuk:-
#System
Useless KDE Help entries
Duplicated kde4libs documentation *instead of* the docs for libnepomuk4,
libnepomukquery4a (which don't document how things work, or what is
required)

no mans, no infos
#Online
http://nepomuk.semantdesktop.org [sub domain doesn't function *3]
http://nepomuk.kde.org [not bad - be better if it was on the system]

Akonadi:-
#System
least worst is /usr/share/doc/akonadi-server/README (which is next to
useless).
Duplicated (x5) "about kdepimlibs" *instead of* the various akonadi lib
docs (which don't document how things work, or what is required)

no mans, no infos
#Online
http://community.kde.org/KDE_PIM/Akonadi
[mission statement, diagram] directs to:-
https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/akonadi
[which could win awards for uselessness *and* it directs back to the
previous page]
http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdepimlibs-apidocs/akonadi/html/index.html
[some developer documentation and a dead link to akonadi server
documentation at
http://api.kde.org/kdesupport-api/kdesupport-apidocs/akonadi/html/]
http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi [a semi-useful guide to
things that are broken]
http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi [six useful lines - and this is the best
official document]


Obviously there is some good documentation 'somewhere' on how to enable
the existing features of nepomuk and akonadi - or remove all traces of
them. But where??


Cheers

[*1]
http://cordis.europa.eu/fetch?CALLER=PROJ_ICT&ACTION=D&DOC=1&CAT=PROJ&QUER Y=011ca2def8a7:ccd3:321e9807&RCN=79390

[*2] http://www.gnowsis.com/about/content/product
http://www.gnowsis.com/about/blog/2010/11/20/how-does-gnowsis-relate-nepomuk-and-others
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Ffut urezone.at%2Fdigitallife%2F993-refinder-das-naechste-level-des-hyperlinks.php&act=url
[*3] curl it to see why it doesn't work (sigh). and, why is it a
non-transferable, non-renewable domain??


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Old 08-27-2011, 11:28 AM
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Hi,

On Saturday 27 August 2011 10:44:22 Adrien wrote:
> Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
> > Are people here using akonadi or any of the tools using the akonadi
> > framework, in their regular workflow?
> > (Email, PIM)

Well, my calendar and addressbook are managed via akonadi, if it counts.
Workflow-wise this doesn't really make any difference to the old way(tm).

It would be nice though, if I could sync my local calendar to my gmail
calendar via akonadi, but either it's not possible or I'm too dumb to figure
this out on my own...

> > Also, the same with Nepomuk. Are people using it or is it just sitting
> > disabled in everyone's config?

Some while ago I decided to activate Nepomuk. It's activated ever since (but
without strigi), but I'm not really doing anything with it.

> I am using it for searching documents and photos (managed by digikam) with
> krunner. But it is often buggy unfortunately :-(

I'm using kphotoalbum, which isn't searchable via nepomuk :-(
Accessing/searching my photo database via nepomuk would indeed a useful and
cool feature. Unfortunately I don't think that will be possible any time soon
(not to speak of a common ontology between digikam and kpa).

> Now I am waiting for searching my emails too in krunner :-)

...which would also be a nice feature...

All in all, I'm not yet ready to abandon all hope in akonadi and nepomuk.
Maybe KDE4 is akin to KDE2 or Windows Vista in that respect -- it's not really
loved by that many people, but it introduces the core technologies that enable
the success of the next version.

That said, I'd like to thank the debian kde team for providing a good overall
kde experience in a time of radical changes and for not quitting when faced
with frustrated or even angry users. Thank you!

Johannes


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Old 08-27-2011, 01:47 PM
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Am Saturday, 27. August 2011 schrieb Scott Ferguson:

> http://nepomuk.semantdesktop.org [sub domain doesn't function *3]
> [*3] curl it to see why it doesn't work (sigh). and, why is it a
> non-transferable, non-renewable domain??

Maybe spell it correctly?
http://nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/

Cheers,
Carsten
 
Old 08-27-2011, 02:29 PM
Scott Ferguson
 
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On 27/08/11 23:47, Carsten Pfeiffer wrote:

Am Saturday, 27. August 2011 schrieb Scott Ferguson:


http://nepomuk.semantdesktop.org [sub domain doesn't function *3]
[*3] curl it to see why it doesn't work (sigh). and, why is it a
non-transferable, non-renewable domain??


Maybe spell it correctly?
http://nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/

Cheers,
Carsten


http://nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/

Done. Difference? None.

Was it good for you?


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