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Old 01-12-2008, 07:00 PM
Clay Weber
 
Default KDE 4.0.0!

On Saturday 12 January 2008 12:57:34 pm Martin Walshe wrote:
> On Jan 12, 2008 4:19 PM, Terence Simpson <stdin@stdin.me.uk> wrote:
> > Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. Did
> > you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file manager?
> >
> > Terence
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> Funny that seen as Konqueror's webpage describes it as "*Konqueror* is the
> file manager <http://www.konqueror.org/features/filemanager.php> for the K
> Desktop Environment."
> So yes the file manager thats also a browser should do what a file manager
> should. Especially as Konqueror was there long before Dolphin.
>
> Marty.

The View hidden files is currently broken. I have filed a bug report to
http://bugs.kde.com as suggested by a KDE dev.
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155565

A workaround for this I found is to open Dolphin, navigate to the directory
desired, change view settings from there, then open Konqueror and go to that
folder, or if it is already open in that directory, navigate somewhere else,
and then go back.


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Old 01-12-2008, 07:07 PM
Clay Weber
 
Default KDE 4.0.0!

On Saturday 12 January 2008 12:53:07 pm Donn wrote:
> > Yes, they stripped the file managing out of Konqueror, it uses parts of
> > Dolphin to manage files.
>
> How do I draw a broken heart emoticon ?
>
>
>
> I just can't bleev they'd butcher perfection. I really hope newer versions
> of Dolphin bring back tabs and splits and view profiles -- at a minimum.
>
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Konqueror still has tabs, view profiles, split views, and all that (assuming
you meant Konq - Dolphin never had tabs), just a few things not wired up
right yet

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Old 01-12-2008, 09:39 PM
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Well now what do I do? My adept notifier on dapper lists the whole stackm so for example one of ca 20 items is
kdebase-bin
Section: kde
Installed Size: 3016K
Maintainer: Ubuintu Core Developers
Candidate Version: 4:
3.5.2-Oubuntu27.3
Installed Version: 4:3.5.2-Oubuntu27.2

and it says upradable. Now is that KDE 4? why is it on my Dapper notifier? Should I remove it from my notifier? How? Request removal? or request purging?


I´m confused..

Cheers, Gert

On Jan 13, 2008 3:13 AM, Terence Simpson <stdin@stdin.me.uk> wrote:

Gert Gast wrote:
> But i do get the whole KDE 4.0 lot in Adept notifier on Dapper;
> *how do I clean that out??
>
> Gert
>
As I've said, KDE4 is _not_ available on Dapper, only Gutsy and Hardy.


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Old 01-12-2008, 10:01 PM
Clay Weber
 
Default KDE 4.0.0!

On Saturday 12 January 2008 5:39:59 pm Gert Gast wrote:
> Well now what do I do? My adept notifier on dapper lists the whole stackm
> so for example one of ca 20 items is
> kdebase-bin
> Section: kde
> Installed Size: 3016K
> Maintainer: Ubuintu Core Developers
> Candidate Version: 4:3.5.2-Oubuntu27.3
> Installed Version: 4:3.5.2-Oubuntu27.2
>
> and it says upradable. Now is that KDE 4? why is it on my Dapper notifier?
> Should I remove it from my notifier? How? Request removal? or request
> purging?
>
> I´m confused..
>
> Cheers, Gert
>
> On Jan 13, 2008 3:13 AM, Terence Simpson <stdin@stdin.me.uk> wrote:
> > Gert Gast wrote:
> > > But i do get the whole KDE 4.0 lot in Adept notifier on Dapper;
> > > how do I clean that out??
> > >
> > > Gert
> >
> > As I've said, KDE4 is _not_ available on Dapper, only Gutsy and Hardy.
> >
> > Terence
> >
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I am not sure what the "4:" means exactly (what does epoch mean in package
versioning?), but the KDE version is actually 3.5.2-Oubuntu27.3 for you,
which is correct for dapper.

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Old 01-12-2008, 10:14 PM
Terence Simpson
 
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Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 12/01/2008, Terence Simpson <stdin@stdin.me.uk> wrote:
>
>> Well, Dolphin is the file manager and Konqueror is the Web Browser. Did
>> you expect the Web Browser to have all the features of a file manager?
>>
>> Terence
>>
>
> Well, yes, as it originally _was_ a file manager before it was a web
> browser. And so far as I've been led to understand (please RTFM me
> with information otherwise) Konqueror retains all it's features for
> KDE4.
>
> Dotan Cohen
>
No, Konqueror uses the Dolphin KPart to use some file managing features.
(A KPart is like a plugin, not exactly the same but a decent analogy for
this)

Terence


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Old 01-12-2008, 10:18 PM
Terence Simpson
 
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Clay Weber wrote:
> I am not sure what the "4:" means exactly (what does epoch mean in package
> versioning?), but the KDE version is actually 3.5.2-Oubuntu27.3 for you,
> which is correct for dapper.
>
An eopch is there to make a lower version number seem to be greater than
the one already available, they are added when a version is included but
then needs to be replaced with an older one.
If you're wondering why every version after has the epoch, it's because
once you add an epoch it can't be removed because the epoch version will
always be higher.

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Old 01-12-2008, 10:19 PM
Derek Broughton
 
Default KDE 4.0.0!

Terence Simpson wrote:

> TED FISCHER wrote:
>>
>> Before Dolphin came out with 7.10 Konq was both a file manager and a web
>> browser! and it worked well. for some unkown reason, to most of us, they
>> created Dolphin to be a File manager. they must have striped some of the
>> functionality out of Konq for KDE4.
>>
> Yes, they stripped the file managing out of Konqueror, it uses parts of
> Dolphin to manage files.
> The point is that it's not a bug, it's like saying "Why can't I use
> Firefox to move a file from one place to another", the answer is to use
> a file manager instead.


Of COURSE it's a bug! We like Konqueror as the wonderful swiss-army knife
it's always been. If it becomes impossible to browse _files_ with it in
future, I may very well just give up on KDE.

I'm well aware that there are people who believe that Web browsers shouldn't
manage files. They have Nautilus and Firefox, and I'll be damned
disappointed if KDE's going the same way.

As for "it uses parts of Dolphin to manage files", that sucks. It's always
been Konqueror's strength that it can swallow applications whole, and I see
no reason Dolphin should be crippled inside Konqueror.
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Old 01-12-2008, 10:55 PM
Ron Wilson
 
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Well I have installed KDE 4.0 on two workstations and a laptop all went fine. One thing I have noticed is that Adept update seems to not know about SUDO and instead insistes on a root password. To get it to work I had to give root a password and updates then worked OK

Not being able to use Pidgin is a pain but Kopete works OK so I will use that








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Old 01-12-2008, 11:04 PM
Clay Weber
 
Default KDE 4.0.0!

On Saturday 12 January 2008 6:55:30 pm Ron Wilson wrote:
> Well I have installed KDE 4.0 on two workstations and a laptop all went
> fine. One thing I have noticed is that Adept update seems to not know
> about SUDO and instead insistes on a root password. To get it to work I
> had to give root a password and updates then worked OK
> Not being able to use Pidgin is a pain but Kopete works OK so I will use
> that
>
>
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>
> Write a wise saying and your name will live forever Anonymous

If you don't want to mess around with root, try running Adept from alt-f2, a
konsole, or run-command dialog :
kdesudo adept_manager

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Old 01-13-2008, 01:04 AM
"Eduardo P. Román O."
 
Default KDE 4.0.0!

At last, my experience with 4.0 was and mistake, I go Back wth my Kde 3.5.8
with compiz, it's the best, KDE 4.0 is slow and inestable, crash with
frecuency.


El Saturday 12 January 2008 20:18:39 Terence Simpson escribió:
> Clay Weber wrote:
> > I am not sure what the "4:" means exactly (what does epoch mean in
> > package versioning?), but the KDE version is actually 3.5.2-Oubuntu27.3
> > for you, which is correct for dapper.
>
> An eopch is there to make a lower version number seem to be greater than
> the one already available, they are added when a version is included but
> then needs to be replaced with an older one.
> If you're wondering why every version after has the epoch, it's because
> once you add an epoch it can't be removed because the epoch version will
> always be higher.
>
> Terence



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