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Old 01-14-2008, 12:06 AM
Terence Simpson
 
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Eduardo P. Román O. wrote:
> I do each step by always get the same error;
> Can't install kdebase-kde4, becouse exist dependencies not matched.
>
>
Try installing "kdebase-bin-kde4" first, or just do a full update.
(and can you please not top-post, it disrupts the flow of a thread)


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Old 01-14-2008, 12:13 AM
Clay Weber
 
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On Saturday 12 January 2008 6:19:04 pm Derek Broughton wrote:
> Terence Simpson wrote:
> > TED FISCHER wrote:
> >> Before Dolphin came out with 7.10 Konq was both a file manager and a web
> >> browser! and it worked well. for some unkown reason, to most of us, they
> >> created Dolphin to be a File manager. they must have striped some of the
> >> functionality out of Konq for KDE4.
> >
> > Yes, they stripped the file managing out of Konqueror, it uses parts of
> > Dolphin to manage files.
> > The point is that it's not a bug, it's like saying "Why can't I use
> > Firefox to move a file from one place to another", the answer is to use
> > a file manager instead.
>
> Of COURSE it's a bug! We like Konqueror as the wonderful swiss-army knife
> it's always been. If it becomes impossible to browse _files_ with it in
> future, I may very well just give up on KDE.
>
> I'm well aware that there are people who believe that Web browsers
> shouldn't manage files. They have Nautilus and Firefox, and I'll be damned
> disappointed if KDE's going the same way.
>
> As for "it uses parts of Dolphin to manage files", that sucks. It's always
> been Konqueror's strength that it can swallow applications whole, and I see
> no reason Dolphin should be crippled inside Konqueror.
> --
> derek
At least I am not the only one who reported this:
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155349


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Old 01-14-2008, 03:32 AM
"Howard Coles Jr."
 
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On Sunday 13 January 2008 06:40:03 pm D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
> On Sunday 13 January 2008, Chris Miller wrote:
> > You're point?
>
> My point is that KDE4 reminds me a lot of Windows Vista, and it doesn't
> really matter a rat's ass where the clock came from, does it? The first
> time I saw the clock, and the whole concept of putting little widgets on
> the desktop was in Windows Vista. The next time I saw the clock, and the
> whole concept of putting little widgets on the desktop was in the KDE 4
> live CD. Therefore KDE 4 reminds me a lot of Windows Vista. It doesn't
> matter if Babbage's difference engine had a clock widget on its desktop;
> this is still the sequence of exposure to the concept I experienced, and
> that sequence is totally indisputable. Therefore, KDE4 reminds me a lot of
> Windows Vista. There is no possible argument here to counter the assertion
> that, as I asserted previously, it appears from my perspective that KDE is
> following Microsoft's lead.
>
> That might not be true, and I am not asserting that it is. Merely that is
> appears that way from my perspective. Which it does, indisputably.
>
> End of discussion.
> --
> D. Michael McIntyre

Sorry about this, but, I want to note a couple of things that may help your
comfort level with KDE and the Desktop widgets.

MickySoft got its idea for Desktop widgets from Karamba, and SuperKaramba
(which I'm running now in KDE 3.5 with a weather, Verse of the Day, system
monitor, and yes an analog clock) themes. To tell you the truth, KDE's
Superkaramba integrates better with the desktop background than MickySoft's
Vista's "Sidebar".

And as a side note, the best I recall from pictures I've seen, and testimony,
the first Xerox "windowing" environments displayed a large analog clock on
them. :-D Sorry, Michael, just *had* to say it. Don't taz me.

I know this may sound blasphemous on a Linux list, but everyone has to admit
that Vista is pleasing to the eyes, at least to most folks. It doesn't
please anything else, and is crappy as all get out, but it does look good.
Which just goes to show you, beauty is only skin deep, but ugly is to the
bone. :-D

Please note the above was generally meant as humor, even though it does
contain some truth. (disclaimer).

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Old 01-14-2008, 04:27 AM
Ant Cunningham
 
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On 1/13/08 11:32 PM, "Howard Coles Jr." <dhcolesj@gmail.com> wrote:

> MickySoft got its idea for Desktop widgets from Karamba, and SuperKaramba
> (which I'm running now in KDE 3.5 with a weather, Verse of the Day, system
> monitor, and yes an analog clock) themes. To tell you the truth, KDE's
> Superkaramba integrates better with the desktop background than MickySoft's
> Vista's "Sidebar".

I find it highly more likely that M$ got its idea from Apple's Dashboard who
in turn probably got the idea from Karamba/SuperKaramba. :-)

Now... does anyone know how to move the panel and change its size? Cant find
anything in System Settings but im not totally familiar with it because I
normally use kControl...




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Old 01-14-2008, 05:50 AM
"Jared Greenwald"
 
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On Jan 14, 2008 12:27 AM, Ant Cunningham <prodigitalson@vectrbas-d.com> wrote:
> On 1/13/08 11:32 PM, "Howard Coles Jr." <dhcolesj@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > MickySoft got its idea for Desktop widgets from Karamba, and SuperKaramba
> > (which I'm running now in KDE 3.5 with a weather, Verse of the Day, system
> > monitor, and yes an analog clock) themes. To tell you the truth, KDE's
> > Superkaramba integrates better with the desktop background than MickySoft's
> > Vista's "Sidebar".
>
> I find it highly more likely that M$ got its idea from Apple's Dashboard who
> in turn probably got the idea from Karamba/SuperKaramba. :-)
>
> Now... does anyone know how to move the panel and change its size? Cant find
> anything in System Settings but im not totally familiar with it because I
> normally use kControl...

I've asked the same question in #kde and #plasma on freenode and
apparently the answer to both is no at least for now. From what I
understand, the size is hardcoded for the time being and the whole
configuration dialog system for the panel isn't due till 4.1 since
plasma as a whole is a relatively new piece of code. At least that's
the impression I got. (I wondered how KDE as a whole could be out of
beta without a configurable panel, but it's obviously not up to me.)

Also, in case anyone cares (I did), I've been told that there is no
more multi-display panel. Instead you should have two separate panels
- one on each display. I've had multiple (2-3) displays for many
years and this seems like a bit of a regression to me. I've been told
by A Siego to not ever expect that as its apparently a broken concept
(who knew).

-Jared

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Old 01-14-2008, 06:08 AM
Ant Cunningham
 
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On 1/14/08 1:50 AM, "Jared Greenwald" <greenwaldjared@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've asked the same question in #kde and #plasma on freenode and
> apparently the answer to both is no at least for now. From what I
> understand, the size is hardcoded for the time being and the whole
> configuration dialog system for the panel isn't due till 4.1 since
> plasma as a whole is a relatively new piece of code. At least that's
> the impression I got. (I wondered how KDE as a whole could be out of
> beta without a configurable panel, but it's obviously not up to me.)

Well I guess I wont be using kde4 until 4.1... I agee it seems like a basic
thing but im only a lowly web developer :-)

> Also, in case anyone cares (I did), I've been told that there is no
> more multi-display panel. Instead you should have two separate panels
> - one on each display. I've had multiple (2-3) displays for many
> years and this seems like a bit of a regression to me. I've been told
> by A Siego to not ever expect that as its apparently a broken concept
> (who knew).
>

Well I don't use multiple displays but im feering this whole new plasma
pardigm will result in the removal of the Application Panel at the top of
the screen ala OS X, since the first thing I do to a KDE system it to make
it as much like my OS X configuration as possible.

(awaits anti-apple rants) :-)












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Old 01-14-2008, 06:11 AM
"Jared Greenwald"
 
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On Jan 14, 2008 2:08 AM, Ant Cunningham <prodigitalson@vectrbas-d.com> wrote:
> On 1/14/08 1:50 AM, "Jared Greenwald" <greenwaldjared@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've asked the same question in #kde and #plasma on freenode and
> > apparently the answer to both is no at least for now. From what I
> > understand, the size is hardcoded for the time being and the whole
> > configuration dialog system for the panel isn't due till 4.1 since
> > plasma as a whole is a relatively new piece of code. At least that's
> > the impression I got. (I wondered how KDE as a whole could be out of
> > beta without a configurable panel, but it's obviously not up to me.)
>
> Well I guess I wont be using kde4 until 4.1... I agee it seems like a basic
> thing but im only a lowly web developer :-)
>
> > Also, in case anyone cares (I did), I've been told that there is no
> > more multi-display panel. Instead you should have two separate panels
> > - one on each display. I've had multiple (2-3) displays for many
> > years and this seems like a bit of a regression to me. I've been told
> > by A Siego to not ever expect that as its apparently a broken concept
> > (who knew).
> >
>
> Well I don't use multiple displays but im feering this whole new plasma
> pardigm will result in the removal of the Application Panel at the top of
> the screen ala OS X, since the first thing I do to a KDE system it to make
> it as much like my OS X configuration as possible.
>
> (awaits anti-apple rants) :-)

I'm with you on that - my fav KDE theme was baghira (still use it under KDE3).

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Old 01-14-2008, 06:14 AM
Donn
 
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> It doesn't matter if Babbage's difference engine had a clock widget on its
desktop;
Coffee-through-nose moment


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Old 01-14-2008, 06:40 AM
"Dotan Cohen"
 
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On 14/01/2008, D. Michael McIntyre <michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> wrote:
> On Sunday 13 January 2008, Terence Simpson wrote:
>
> > Exactly.
>
> It sounds like it's probably true. I don't really care so much about
> graphical file managers anyway, but when Kubuntu got "Dolphin" I did ditch it
> immediately, like after less than 30 seconds. Barf.
>
> But it sounds like the real Dolphin really shouldn't be that lame:
>
> http://dot.kde.org/1172721427/
>
> (I'm not planning to let KDE4 off of its live CD anytime soon though. I have
> other irons in the fire, and don't have time to fool with that right now.)

Thanks, I'm glad I read that. Though, in my opinion Konquerer should
have stayed the file manager and the new addition should have been a
separate web browser. Probably the only reason that they have done it
this way is because web developers would kill the KDE devs had they
come up with yet _another_ browser, even if it would be simply a
rename of the kurrent KDE browser. More UAs to parse for.

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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
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Old 01-14-2008, 06:43 AM
"Dotan Cohen"
 
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On 14/01/2008, Chris Miller <lordsauronthegreat@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 13, 2008 3:52 PM, D. Michael McIntyre
> <michael.mcintyre@rosegardenmusic.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday 13 January 2008, Chris Miller wrote:
> > > How is the clock Vista-specific? I saw that in a ton of places long
> > > before Vista. gkrellem and similar applications (dekoration IIRC) had
> > > it long before Longhorn started rearing its ugly head.
> >
> > They never had a desktop analog clock widget in, what, over a decade of
> > development. Vista comes up with a desktop analog clock widget, and then so
> > does KDE? Coincidence?
>
> I'm pretty sure deKorator had one.

I think that it first appeared in Super Karamba. At least, the SK,
Vista, and KDE4 clocks all look _very_ similar.

> > I doubt it.
>
> AIGLX/Xgl stole Expose. You're point?
>
> > I've only looked at both Vista and KDE4 briefly, but my quick impression of
> > both was that the one seemed to be taking cues from the other.
>
> Gee, they all have mice, cursors, windows, a taskbar, and a button
> that pulls up a larger menu of stuff to do.
>
> I'm just waiting for a OSS OS X clone

ha!

> > If this is true, it's not a crime. I'm still a jabbering KDE fanboy zealot
> > who worships the KDE project, so calm down.
>
> According to MS, Linux and all attached/associated projects are a crime.

Until someone finds a line of GPL code in Vista. Then they will have
to legally open source the whole thing, like Linksys did. I'm waiting
for that, the end of supposed security through obscurity.

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