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Old 02-05-2010, 04:59 PM
Muzer
 
Default (K)ubuntu @ Asus Eee PC 1001HA - request for advise.

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Bas Roufs wrote:
> Hello everybody
>
> At present, I am considering to buy a netbook with the following main
> specifications:
>
> Processor --- ------- Intel Atom N270 1.6GHz
> Pre-installed OS:-- Windows® 7 Starter
> Screen: ---------------10,1 inch (1024 x 600), LED, WSVGA,
> Color-Shine (Glare-type).
> Internal memory:---1 GB DDR2
> Hard disk:------------250 GB SATA
> Wireless:-------------b/g/n
> Video card:-----------Intel® GMA 950
> Maximum number of working hours of a fully loaded 6 cell battery: 9,5 hours.
> Weight:1.4 Kg.
> It is a revised, upgraded version of the "Asus Eee PC 1001HA".

Well, it looks like {,K}ubuntu will run - I can't see any incompatible
hardware, the only issue might be in the wifi card (in which case you
would have to use ndiswrapper if no drivers exist).

>
> It is crystal clear to me that I want to install on such a machine the
> stable version of "Kubuntu netbook remix" 10.04 LTS, which will be
> available in May 2010. I only want to use Win7 in a limited number of
> situations in which Windows is still unavoidable.
>
> However it may be, what would you advise me to do before and in May? I
> am considering 3 options.
>
> OPTION 1
> Installing now the current version of "Kubuntu remix" with a view to
> upgrading it to 10.04 in May.

This is what I would do. I have Kubuntu Netbook Remix on my Aspire One
ZG5 (the one with the crappy slow SSD ) - it runs fine, and although
there are a few issues that get on my nerves, there is nothing too major
- - you have to like Alt-Tabbing though as there isn't another easy way to
switch applications (well, the other way is moving your mouse to the top
left to display all windows and clicking the one you want, but this is
slow and cumbersome). YMMV, but KNR works fine for my uses.

>
> OPTION 2
> Carrying out a 4 stages plan:
> 1. Installing the current version of "Ubuntu Netbook remix";
> 2. Adding "Kontact", the address book, mail and organiser software I
> want to work with;
> 3. Upgrading this configuration to version 10.04 in May;
> 4. Adding afterwords those packages enabling me to also work with
> Kubuntu netbook remix 10.04.
>

Using this method, you would end up with quite a bloated system - I
installed KNR 9.04 and installed KDE (full) on top of that, and I ended
up with a slow machine with nearly all the SSD used (though this
shouldn't be much of a problem).

>
> OPTION 3
> Any other approach you would recommend me.
>
> Which option would you advise to me?
>
> Finally - > 95% of the work at such a netbook I want to carry out via
> *ubuntu. That's why I want to minimise the size of the Windows 7
> partition as much as possible. Two questions:
> What is the minimal size of the Windows 7 partition you would recommend me?

No idea, sorry

> Is it possible to partition during the installation process in such a
> way that I can predetermine the size of each partition?

During the installation, you can go into advanced partitioning and
choose whatever size you like for the partitions. However, one word of
warning - I don't know whether or not this has been fixed so it's best
to be cautious. Windows Vista or 7 NTFS partitions are slightly
different, and will corrupt if you do one of the following:

* Rezise from the LEFT side in the partition manager (resizing from the
right is fine)

* Move them

So, you only need to resize from the right.



I personally would recommend you install with separate root and home
partitions, as if you decide you want a different distro after all (or a
different setup), you can more easily scrap it and start again without
losing your files.

>
> Thanks in advance for any advise that might come in. Respectfully yours,
> Bas Roufs.
>


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Old 02-05-2010, 06:07 PM
Kaj Haulrich
 
Default (K)ubuntu @ Asus Eee PC 1001HA - request for advise.

Bas Roufs wrote:
> <snip>
>
> Finally - > 95% of the work at such a netbook I want to carry out via
> *ubuntu. That's why I want to minimise the size of the Windows 7
> partition as much as possible. Two questions:
> What is the minimal size of the Windows 7 partition you would recommend me?
> Is it possible to partition during the installation process in such a
> way that I can predetermine the size of each partition?
>
> A very important word of caution here:
>
With Windows 7, you *must* use the Windows partioner to shrink the NTFS
partion. It's located
somewhere in what they call the "Control Panel" - or some such. When
doing so, Windows7 will announce a minimal size. So let it do its thing,
then defragment the partition once again (You did that in the first
place, right?). After that you will have an "unallocated partition".
Install whatever (K)ununtu there.

I've learned the lesson by bitter experience, when I - as I normally do
- let the linux partioner (gparted) do the job. Totally garbled Windows
7 up in a mess.

Finally, why the "remix"? - I installed the whole Ubuntu and it works
like a greased ligtning. Not a single hiccup...

HTH
Kaj Haulrich.

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Old 02-05-2010, 07:48 PM
Bas Roufs
 
Default (K)ubuntu @ Asus Eee PC 1001HA - request for advise.

Thanks, Muzer, for your feedback!

> hardware, the only issue might be in the wifi card in which case > you would have to use ndiswrapper if no drivers exist.

If this becomes relevant, I will get back about it to this forum.

> > OPTION 1
> > ... current version of "Kubuntu remix" ......
>
> This is what I would do. I have Kubuntu Netbook Remix on my
> Aspire One ZG5 (the one with the crappy slow SSD )

What means 'SSD' in this context? 'Solid state disk' or something else?

- it runs fine, and although
> there are a few issues that get on my nerves, there is nothing
> too major

If 'Kubuntu Netbook remix' works fine apart from some rough edges, it
is OK for me.


> - - Alt-Tabbing ... to switch applications ....
I tried it at this machine - good idea!

>.... YMMV

What means 'YMMV'?


> > OPTION 2
> > 4 stages plan ..."Ubuntu ... Kubuntu netbook remix 10.04.....

> this method... end up with quite a bloated system - I
Thanks for sharing this warning.

> to be cautious. ....
>
> So, you only need to resize from the right.

Useful warning again. How can check I whether I resize from the right?
Is this graphically visible?

> I personally would recommend you install with separate root
> and home partitions, as if you decide you want a different distro > after all (or a different setup), you can more easily scrap it and
> start again without losing your files.

This sounds reasonable. How do I get separate root and home
partitions? Via some advanced option?

Thanks, respectfully yours,
Bas.

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Old 02-05-2010, 08:02 PM
Bas Roufs
 
Default (K)ubuntu @ Asus Eee PC 1001HA - request for advise.

Thanks, Kaj, for cautiously sharing your experience!

>> ... minimise the size of the Windows 7 partition as much as
>> possible. .....

> With Windows 7, you *must* use the Windows partioner to
> shrink the NTFS partion .. "Control Panel" - or some such.

Clear.

> When doing so, Windows7 will announce a minimal size. So let
> it do its thing, then defragment the partition once again

You mean, it is better to shrink the Windows partition from within
Windows in the way you explain above?

> (You did that in the first place, right?).

I did not yet buy this Eee PC 1101 HA. I first want to inform myself
via this forum before buying it.

> After that you will have an "unallocated partition".
> Install whatever (K)ununtu there.

Will the (K)ubuntu installation program automatically discover that
partition after choosing the option to 'maintain' the already existing
OS?

> I've learned the lesson by bitter experience, when I - as I
> normally do - let the linux partioner (gparted) do the job. Totally
> garbled Windows 7 up in a mess.

Good that yhu mention this!

> Finally, why the "remix"? ....
As far as I understand, the "remix" contains the whole Ubuntu, but
with a few adaptations aimed at optimising the system for the small
screen of a netbook.

However it may be - I really appreciate your input!

Respectfully yours,

Bas.

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Old 02-05-2010, 08:04 PM
Muzer
 
Default (K)ubuntu @ Asus Eee PC 1001HA - request for advise.

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Bas Roufs wrote:
> Thanks, Muzer, for your feedback!
>
>> hardware, the only issue might be in the wifi card in which case > you would have to use ndiswrapper if no drivers exist.
>
> If this becomes relevant, I will get back about it to this forum.
>
>>> OPTION 1
>>> ... current version of "Kubuntu remix" ......
>> This is what I would do. I have Kubuntu Netbook Remix on my
>> Aspire One ZG5 (the one with the crappy slow SSD )
>
> What means 'SSD' in this context? 'Solid state disk' or something else?

Yes

>
> - it runs fine, and although
>> there are a few issues that get on my nerves, there is nothing
>> too major
>
> If 'Kubuntu Netbook remix' works fine apart from some rough edges, it
> is OK for me.
>
>
>> - - Alt-Tabbing ... to switch applications ....
> I tried it at this machine - good idea!
>
>> .... YMMV
>
> What means 'YMMV'?

Your mileage may vary - you may get different results to me depending on
what you want to use it for

>
>
>>> OPTION 2
>>> 4 stages plan ..."Ubuntu ... Kubuntu netbook remix 10.04.....
>
>> this method... end up with quite a bloated system - I
> Thanks for sharing this warning.
>
>> to be cautious. ....
>>
>> So, you only need to resize from the right.
>
> Useful warning again. How can check I whether I resize from the right?
> Is this graphically visible?

Yes - if you choose the default partitioning layout, it will resize from
the right automatically. If you do it manually, it is graphically
visible - just make sure that the Windows partition stays on the left
side of the graphical partition manager and it should be fine. This will
probably make more sense when you get to do it.

>
>> I personally would recommend you install with separate root
>> and home partitions, as if you decide you want a different distro > after all (or a different setup), you can more easily scrap it and
>> start again without losing your files.
>
> This sounds reasonable. How do I get separate root and home
> partitions? Via some advanced option?

Yes - when you come to the partitioning, there will be some options. I
can't remember what they are exactly, but they are something along the
lines of:

Fill entire disk (delete all partitions and use entirely for Kubuntu)

Resize Windows partition and install alongside

Manually specify partitions


You want that last option - then you will get a partition editor that
allows you to basically do whatever you like. I can't remember the exact
details as it's been a while since I used it, but you'll want to:

Change the amount of space Windows 7 uses so it's a small-ish amount

Create a relatively small partition for the root directory - 40GB should
be plenty for most people's use unless you want to install a ridiculous
number of applications (on my desktop it's only 20GB, and I've only used
up 45% of it, and I've had it since August). Set the partition type to
primary, format to ext4, and set mount point to /

Now, create a bigger partition for your home partition. Bascially just
use whatever is left of the disk, minus about a GB or two. Again, set
partition type to primary, format to ext4, and set the mount point to /home

Finally, create a partition in the small space you left behind. Set
partition type to primary (if there is any room left; if Windows came
with more than one partition already you'll have to make a logical
partition and then another partition inside that, post back if you need
help with this), format to linux-swap (it's called something like that)
and leave the rest as it is. This is the Linux equivalent of virtual
memory in Windows - it is used as RAM if your normal RAM runs out.

I'm sure someone can go into more detail than me if you need it, but
that is the general gist.

>
> Thanks, respectfully yours,
> Bas.
>

Good luck,

Muzer.


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Old 02-05-2010, 08:30 PM
Bas Roufs
 
Default (K)ubuntu @ Asus Eee PC 1001HA - request for advise.

>> What means 'YMMV'?
>
> Your mileage may vary - you may get different results to me
> depending on what you want to use it for

:-)!

(snip)

> Resize Windows partition and install alongside
>
> Manually specify partitions
>
>
> You want that last option - then you will get a partition editor that
> allows you to basically do whatever you like.
> I can't remember the exact details as it's been a while ...
(snip)

Your whole input on this issue is clear enough for me, thanks!
Respectfully yours,

Bas.

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Old 02-05-2010, 10:23 PM
Kaj Haulrich
 
Default (K)ubuntu @ Asus Eee PC 1001HA - request for advise.

On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 22:02 +0100, Bas Roufs wrote:
> Thanks, Kaj, for cautiously sharing your experience!
>
> >> ... minimise the size of the Windows 7 partition as much as
> >> possible. .....
>
> > With Windows 7, you *must* use the Windows partioner to
> > shrink the NTFS partion .. "Control Panel" - or some such.
>
> Clear.
>
> > When doing so, Windows7 will announce a minimal size. So let
> > it do its thing, then defragment the partition once again
>
> You mean, it is better to shrink the Windows partition from within
> Windows in the way you explain above?

Exactly! - Do not attempt to let Linux do it.
>
> > (You did that in the first place, right?).
>
> I did not yet buy this Eee PC 1101 HA. I first want to inform myself
> via this forum before buying it.
>
> > After that you will have an "unallocated partition".
> > Install whatever (K)ununtu there.
>
> Will the (K)ubuntu installation program automatically discover that
> partition after choosing the option to 'maintain' the already existing
> OS?

Yes. It will give you the option to install *buntu in the unallocated
partition. You should choose "manual" in order to create a / partition,
a swap partition and a /home partition - all of them inside the
unallocated space. Do not touch the NTFS partition! - That way you can
preserve your data and settings in /home when installing the next big
thing, like 'ubuntu 10.4 - or whatever linux distro you like.
>
> > I've learned the lesson by bitter experience, when I - as I
> > normally do - let the linux partioner (gparted) do the job. Totally
> > garbled Windows 7 up in a mess.
>
> Good that yhu mention this!
>
> > Finally, why the "remix"? ....
> As far as I understand, the "remix" contains the whole Ubuntu, but
> with a few adaptations aimed at optimising the system for the small
> screen of a netbook.

That's the general idea, but with your specs (processor & RAM & graphics
card) you can just as well run the real thing. Then you can have plenty
of windows, apps and desktops at hand without closing one application
down in order to run another. When I tried the Ubuntu Remix, windows
could not resize, for example...

HTH
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Old 02-05-2010, 11:08 PM
Murray Colpman
 
Default (K)ubuntu @ Asus Eee PC 1001HA - request for advise.

That's why you use kubuntu netbook remodeling - that allows you to resize windows, multitask etc.


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On Feb 5, 2010 11:24 PM, "Kaj Haulrich" <kaj@haulrich.net> wrote:


On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 22:02 +0100, Bas Roufs wrote:
> Thanks, Kaj, for cautiously sharing your exper...
Exactly! - Do not attempt to let Linux do it.


>
> > (You did that in the first place, right?).
>
> I did not yet buy this Eee PC 1101 HA. I fir...
Yes. It will give you the option to install *buntu in the unallocated

partition. You should choose "manual" in order to create a / partition,

a swap partition and a /home partition - all of them inside the

unallocated space. Do not touch the NTFS partition! - That way you can

preserve your data and settings in /home when installing the next big

thing, like 'ubuntu 10.4 - or whatever linux distro you like.


>
> > I've learned the lesson by bitter experience, when I - as I
> > normally do - let the linux p...
That's the general idea, but with your specs (processor & RAM & graphics

card) you can just as well run the real thing. Then you can have plenty

of windows, apps and desktops at hand without closing one application

down in order to run another. When I tried the Ubuntu Remix, windows

could not resize, for example...



HTH

Kaj Haulrich





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Old 02-06-2010, 07:37 AM
Eberhard Roloff
 
Default (K)ubuntu @ Asus Eee PC 1001HA - request for advise.

On 02/06/2010 12:23 AM, Kaj Haulrich wrote:

>>> I've learned the lesson by bitter experience, when I - as I
>>> normally do - let the linux partioner (gparted) do the job. Totally
>>> garbled Windows 7 up in a mess.
>>

Hi,

I can not confirm this.
Up to now,I repartitioned about 10 Win 7 installations (on
Noteboos and Desktops, not on Netbooks, if that matters)
with gparted and none was garbled.

So maybe it was bad luck that you had?

However I also strongly advise to always backup your data
AND defragment your windows disk before repartitioning
because disaster strikes. ;-).

Kind regards
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Old 02-06-2010, 08:36 AM
Bas Roufs
 
Default (K)ubuntu @ Asus Eee PC 1001HA - request for advise.

>> > When doing so, Windows7 will announce a minimal size. So let
>> > it do its thing, then defragment the partition once again
>>
>> You mean, it is better to shrink the Windows partition from within
>> Windows in the way you explain above?
>
> Exactly! - Do not attempt to let Linux do it.

One little questions remains: is 'defragment' this typical Windows
hard disk maintenance software - as explained in e.g. Wikipedia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defragment
For the rest, everything about this resizing issue is clear for me now.

>> >.... "unallocated partition".... Install whatever (K)ubuntu there.....
>>
>> Will the (K)ubuntu installation program automatically discover that
>> partition after choosing the option to 'maintain' the already existing
>> OS?
>
> Yes. It will give you the option to install *buntu in the unallocated
> partition. You should choose "manual" in order to create a / partition,
> a swap partition and a /home partition - all of them inside the
> unallocated space.
This is clear!

> Do not touch the NTFS partition! -
Does the installation package graphically or otherwise make clear
where this untouchable :-) NTFS partition is?

> That way you can
> preserve your data and settings in /home when installing the next big
> thing, like 'ubuntu 10.4 - or whatever linux distro you like.

This sounds useful, taking into account my installation experience so far....

>>
>> > Finally, why the "remix"? ....
>> As far as I understand, the "remix" contains the whole Ubuntu, but
>> with a few adaptations aimed at optimising the system for the small
>> screen of a netbook.
>
> That's the general idea, but with your specs (processor & RAM & graphics
> card) you can just as well run the real thing. Then you can have plenty
> of windows, apps and desktops at hand without closing one application
> down in order to run another. When I tried the Ubuntu Remix, windows
> could not resize, for example...

It is clear that "Ubuntu netbook remix" is not a good option in this
case. But what about the current version of "Kubuntu netbook remix"?
Does it have the same problem? Does anyone have practical experience
with that distro?

Thanks, respectfully yours,
Bas.

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