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Old 10-30-2009, 03:57 AM
Ric Moore
 
Default Somebody SURE loves them some kblocks

I tried to remove this little innocuous stinker of a game and it wants
to remove KDE-FULL. Huh, just checked that package, before I hit the
shiny red-button, and that seems to include my whole $%^& KDE desktop.
Just wondered who has the brain today and if they would PLEASE pass it
around?? Cannot someone make it a rule to NOT dEsTrOy the user's
installation when removing a package??

That would be very nice. Especially for a newb that spent a week
dnloading kubuntu, via a tin can in a third world country, and then
hoses the entire install removing "Hunt The Wumpus".

Can we be mindful and "JUST SAY NO!" ?? We need a "No Delete Desktop"
Czar (Dept of Homeland NDD) to oversee these things. X{ Ric


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Old 10-30-2009, 11:50 AM
Clay Weber
 
Default Somebody SURE loves them some kblocks

On Friday 30 October 2009 12:57:42 am Ric Moore wrote:
> I tried to remove this little innocuous stinker of a game and it wants
> to remove KDE-FULL. Huh, just checked that package, before I hit the
> shiny red-button, and that seems to include my whole $%^& KDE desktop.
> Just wondered who has the brain today and if they would PLEASE pass it
> around?? Cannot someone make it a rule to NOT dEsTrOy the user's
> installation when removing a package??
>
> That would be very nice. Especially for a newb that spent a week
> dnloading kubuntu, via a tin can in a third world country, and then
> hoses the entire install removing "Hunt The Wumpus".
>
> Can we be mindful and "JUST SAY NO!" ?? We need a "No Delete Desktop"
> Czar (Dept of Homeland NDD) to oversee these things. X{ Ric
>
kde-full? That package is a meta-package it is used simply to depend on
other packages. it isn't usually installed, or necessary - it basically tells
the package manager to install literally the entire set of KDE packages. I
believe it is a Debian thing that gets carried over.

Maybe run the the command line to remove the game and post the results
so we can see exactly what is happening? When I try removing the game, it
only wants to remove itself and the meta-package kdegames.

clay

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Old 10-31-2009, 03:59 PM
Ric Moore
 
Default Somebody SURE loves them some kblocks

On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 08:50 -0400, Clay Weber wrote:
> On Friday 30 October 2009 12:57:42 am Ric Moore wrote:
> > I tried to remove this little innocuous stinker of a game and it wants
> > to remove KDE-FULL. Huh, just checked that package, before I hit the
> > shiny red-button, and that seems to include my whole $%^& KDE desktop.
> > Just wondered who has the brain today and if they would PLEASE pass it
> > around?? Cannot someone make it a rule to NOT dEsTrOy the user's
> > installation when removing a package??
> >
> > That would be very nice. Especially for a newb that spent a week
> > dnloading kubuntu, via a tin can in a third world country, and then
> > hoses the entire install removing "Hunt The Wumpus".
> >
> > Can we be mindful and "JUST SAY NO!" ?? We need a "No Delete Desktop"
> > Czar (Dept of Homeland NDD) to oversee these things. X{ Ric
> >
> kde-full? That package is a meta-package it is used simply to depend on
> other packages. it isn't usually installed, or necessary - it basically tells
> the package manager to install literally the entire set of KDE packages. I
> believe it is a Debian thing that gets carried over.
>
> Maybe run the the command line to remove the game and post the results
> so we can see exactly what is happening? When I try removing the game, it
> only wants to remove itself and the meta-package kdegames.

Wouldn't just removing itself be sufficient??? That's all I wanted it to
do, not dink with anything else, even meta-packages. It's scary as heck
to see KDE-FULL invoked and I'm not about to beta-test it's removal.

I may be ignorant but I don't want to be stupid. Ric




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Old 10-31-2009, 05:03 PM
Clay Weber
 
Default Somebody SURE loves them some kblocks

On Saturday 31 October 2009 12:59:05 pm Ric Moore wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 08:50 -0400, Clay Weber wrote:
> > On Friday 30 October 2009 12:57:42 am Ric Moore wrote:
> > > I tried to remove this little innocuous stinker of a game and it wants
> > > to remove KDE-FULL. Huh, just checked that package, before I hit the
> > > shiny red-button, and that seems to include my whole $%^& KDE
desktop.
> > > Just wondered who has the brain today and if they would PLEASE pass
it
> > > around?? Cannot someone make it a rule to NOT dEsTrOy the user's
> > > installation when removing a package??
> > >
> > > That would be very nice. Especially for a newb that spent a week
> > > dnloading kubuntu, via a tin can in a third world country, and then
> > > hoses the entire install removing "Hunt The Wumpus".
> > >
> > > Can we be mindful and "JUST SAY NO!" ?? We need a "No Delete
Desktop"
> > > Czar (Dept of Homeland NDD) to oversee these things. X{ Ric
> >
> > kde-full? That package is a meta-package it is used simply to depend on
> > other packages. it isn't usually installed, or necessary - it basically
> > tells the package manager to install literally the entire set of KDE
> > packages. I believe it is a Debian thing that gets carried over.
> >
> > Maybe run the the command line to remove the game and post the
results
> > so we can see exactly what is happening? When I try removing the game,
it
> > only wants to remove itself and the meta-package kdegames.
>
> Wouldn't just removing itself be sufficient??? That's all I wanted it to
> do, not dink with anything else, even meta-packages. It's scary as heck
> to see KDE-FULL invoked and I'm not about to beta-test it's removal.
>
> I may be ignorant but I don't want to be stupid. Ric
>
well running the command will show *exactly* what individual packages will be
removed, then you just say no when it asks. That way we can see *exactly*
what the package manager is really doing back there.

if the only packages being removed are the meta-packages, you are fine,
and is completely normal and safe. If you didn't remove the meta-package,
every time there was an update, the particular bit you removed (kblocks)
would be reinstalled as the meta-package (kde-full) has kblocks as a
dependency requirement, that is it's only -purpose. Removing the meta-
package does NOT remove anything else but itself.

The package kubuntu-desktop is a similar meta-package, but it doesn't install
literally every bit of KDE and its requirements like kde-full does, just the
kubuntu-specific stuff and what was chosen as the default set of things.

The description for Kubuntu-created kubunu-desktop package even notes
that it is safe to remove:
" It is safe to remove this package if some of the desktop system
packages are not desired"

unfortunately, the kde-full package is a Debian package probably
automatically converted to Ubuntu's less-maintained Universe repository.

clay


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Old 11-01-2009, 07:47 PM
Derek Broughton
 
Default Somebody SURE loves them some kblocks

Ric Moore wrote:

>> Maybe run the the command line to remove the game and post the results
>> so we can see exactly what is happening? When I try removing the game, it
>> only wants to remove itself and the meta-package kdegames.
>
> Wouldn't just removing itself be sufficient???

It would be "sufficient" - but impossible. What do you think a meta-package
is? kdegames has no content of its own (probably - I haven't bothered to
check), but has a whole list of "depends", including kblocks. If you remove
one of its dependencies, it _has_ to remove the meta-package. That doesn't
mean anything else needs to be removed (though if you use aptitude lots
will, because it's all marked as "automatic" installs.

> That's all I wanted it to
> do, not dink with anything else, even meta-packages. It's scary as heck
> to see KDE-FULL invoked and I'm not about to beta-test it's removal.
>
> I may be ignorant but I don't want to be stupid. Ric

If you don't want dependencies removing meta-packages, don't install meta-
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Old 11-01-2009, 10:17 PM
Ric Moore
 
Default Somebody SURE loves them some kblocks

On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 16:47 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Ric Moore wrote:
>
> >> Maybe run the the command line to remove the game and post the results
> >> so we can see exactly what is happening? When I try removing the game, it
> >> only wants to remove itself and the meta-package kdegames.
> >
> > Wouldn't just removing itself be sufficient???
>
> It would be "sufficient" - but impossible. What do you think a meta-package
> is? kdegames has no content of its own (probably - I haven't bothered to
> check), but has a whole list of "depends", including kblocks. If you remove
> one of its dependencies, it _has_ to remove the meta-package. That doesn't
> mean anything else needs to be removed (though if you use aptitude lots
> will, because it's all marked as "automatic" installs.
>
> > That's all I wanted it to
> > do, not dink with anything else, even meta-packages. It's scary as heck
> > to see KDE-FULL invoked and I'm not about to beta-test it's removal.
> >
> > I may be ignorant but I don't want to be stupid. Ric
>
> If you don't want dependencies removing meta-packages, don't install meta-
> packages!

I thought those were installed automagically as part and parcel to the
install process?? Owell... as I mentioned it looked scary as heck and I
have hit the "shiny red button" once too often in the past to not be
leery of it. Ric




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Old 11-02-2009, 01:53 PM
Derek Broughton
 
Default Somebody SURE loves them some kblocks

Ric Moore wrote:

> On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 16:47 -0400, Derek Broughton wrote:

>> If you don't want dependencies removing meta-packages, don't install
>> meta- packages!
>
> I thought those were installed automagically as part and parcel to the
> install process?? Owell... as I mentioned it looked scary as heck and I
> have hit the "shiny red button" once too often in the past to not be
> leery of it. Ric

kde-full isn't installed automagically, and I'm fairly sure kdegames isn't
either. Sure, kubuntu-desktop is, and that's the one that scares most
people when they try to remove something it depends on. There really isn't
any way I can see to reduce that stress. If the meta-packages were all
named "*-meta", it would still only help those who understood exactly what a
meta-package was. Perhaps the package installer could be smart enough to
allow meta-packages to be removed silently - but then you'd never know that
some other, possibly important, package had been added to its depends in
future.
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