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Old 03-11-2009, 08:10 PM
Dotan Cohen
 
Default Kmail? (Was: Akonadi)

> To say that all companies hold this view is clearly wrong. Likewise, to say
> that all companies don't is also incorrect. And honestly, it is not *my*
> view. It is the reality in which I live.
>

Why do you need to go and ruin a great software idea with this
"reality" of yours

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Old 03-11-2009, 08:12 PM
Dotan Cohen
 
Default Kmail? (Was: Akonadi)

> I'm sure he means in the sense of being able to send HTML mail. *I only send
> one HTML email a year (it's a party invite) but I have to jump through
> hoops to do it because I use KMail, and I can't even forward an HTML mail
> _through_ it without something being lost - and there have been plenty of
> bugs filed about this over the years. *Nobody's interested in implementing
> it. *Unless somebody comes up with a pluggable html editor that KMail can
> use, I very much doubt it will ever happen.

They are working on it, Derek. KDE 4.3 will support some basic things,
but KDE 4.4 should have decent HTML support.

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Old 03-11-2009, 08:43 PM
Paul Lemmons
 
Default Kmail? (Was: Akonadi)

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re:Kmail? (Was: Akonadi)
From: Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@gmail.com>
To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Date: 03/11/2009 02:09 PM

<rant deleted>

ׁHave you any suggestions for replacements? There are at least four
outstanding KDE-PIM bugs that I must 'work around' at least once a
day. I forget why I discounted Evolution as a viable alternative, but
if you have other suggestions then I would like to hear them. Thanks.

I have used Evolution and it suffers its own problems. I used it for
over a year with its connector to Exchange and it was just never stable.
I still go back a look every obnce in a while and it has not improved
much. I have setup an alias "kill-evo" that I used almost daily to start
it up clean and hope it stayed up.


I am currently using Thunderbird and am fairly happy with it. It's lack
of corporate integrated calendar is the one really painful missing
feature. I use it in both IMAP (To Exchange) and POP (cox, my ISP) mode
and both work well. It's RSS reader is also quite functional. The IMAP
implementation is hyper fast even with nearly a hundred folders.
Filtering works very well and I have not run into any lits yet on the
number of rules. The support for HTML formatted messages also works
fairly well. My only complaint is that it sometimes chooses to do HTML
when I am not expecting it to and visa versa. But I can send, receive,
forward, reply to, cut and past in HTML mode. You can't paste an image
but you can include one which is a bit of an annoyance.


I can also state whether or not a particular address wants HTML
formatted email or not. For example, I am typing this note and it is
probably in HTML format. I have, however, marked this address as one
desiring plain text and so it will send it in plain text. A nice feature.


The real deal clincher, though, is that my colleges do not know that I
am not using Outlook, which is our corporate standard. I am able to
communicate seamlessly with the company without anybody saying "Why do
your emails always look funny". I have to work within the world that I
live and so far, T-Bird is letting me do it without having to bring up
Windows.

<snip>

To be honest, KDE 4.3 wil see KDE-PIM on the new Akonadi backend and I
expect there to be problems. However, I have very high hopes for 4.2
even though it is a full year away. Not only in KDE-PIM, but in Plasma
(specifically, spaces or places or whatever they call the multiple
desktops). A lot of foundations were laid in KDE 4.0 and that's why it
was so feature-incomplete. Now, all those new features that are
possible due to Plasma will start coming out. It will be exciting!
While it may sound like I am a discontent, I am really a big KDE fan. I
am running 4.2.1 on Ibex and am looking forward to Jaunty. I like KDE
4.2 and am excited about watching it mature. KDE's office and PIM,
however, have always been a frustration to me. The developers appear
operate on the principal that they are not in competition with MS. The
truth is, that is not the truth.


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Old 03-11-2009, 09:11 PM
Billie Erin Walsh
 
Default Kmail? (Was: Akonadi)

On 03/11/2009 Paul Lemmons wrote:
>
> I am currently using Thunderbird and am fairly happy with it. It's
> lack of corporate integrated calendar is the one really painful
> missing feature.

There is a calender [ Lightning ] that integrates with T-Bird. I tried
it a while back and, IMHO, it sucked. You might give it a try. It may do
what you need.

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Old 03-11-2009, 09:31 PM
Bruce Marshall
 
Default Kmail? (Was: Akonadi)

On Wednesday 11 March 2009, Derek Broughton wrote:
> Nobody's interested in implementing
> it. Unless somebody comes up with a pluggable html editor that KMail can
> use, I very much doubt it will ever happen.

I dug into this a week ago and found there will be a patch to allow embedded
images.... The patch didn't make it into KDE 4.2


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Old 03-11-2009, 09:36 PM
David McGlone
 
Default Kmail? (Was: Akonadi)

On Wednesday 11 March 2009 5:01:38 pm Pastor JW wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 March 2009 12:20:10 pm Paul Lemmons wrote:
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Kmail? (Was: Akonadi)
> > From: Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@gmail.com>
> > To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
> > Date: 03/10/2009 10:29 AM
> >
> > >> That said, Thubderbird is not likely to ever use it. So, until there
> > >> is an email app that knows how to handle HTML email as well as T-Bird,
> > >> I will not be able to take advantage of this. I really wish KMail
> > >> would grow up.
> > >
> > > Grow up? I'd love to hear how. I will file the relevant bugs and help
> > > you to get kmail to fit your needs.
> >
> > been there done that
> >
> > http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86423
> >
> > If you go to bugs.kde.org and do a search for kmail and html you will
> > get more than 200 hits. Kmail is totally useless in a corporate
> > environment where html based email is not only the norm but a
> > requirement.
>
> My son's company (a bank), has fired several people for using html emails
> on company network systems, Of course they also fired five people just last
> week for allowing their Vista equipped laptops onto the network so not all
> corporations hold your view. My son's now ex boss was one of the ones
> fired.

The bank my wife works at does not permit html e-mail either.

Blessings,
David M.
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:24 PM
Paul Lemmons
 
Default Kmail? (Was: Akonadi)

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re:Kmail? (Was: Akonadi)
From: Billie Erin Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net>
To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
Date: 03/11/2009 03:11 PM

On 03/11/2009 Paul Lemmons wrote:


I am currently using Thunderbird and am fairly happy with it. It's
lack of corporate integrated calendar is the one really painful
missing feature.

There is a calender [ Lightning ] that integrates with T-Bird. I tried
it a while back and, IMHO, it sucked. You might give it a try. It may do
what you need.
The operative adjectives in the need are "corporate integrated". Yes,
T-bird has lightening but it is a personal calendar only. It does not
integrate with the corporate calendar to allow for meetings to be
scheduled and attendee availability to be verified.


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Old 03-11-2009, 10:42 PM
Billie Erin Walsh
 
Default Kmail? (Was: Akonadi)

Paul Lemmons wrote:
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re:Kmail? (Was: Akonadi)
> From: Billie Erin Walsh <bilwalsh@swbell.net>
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
> Date: 03/11/2009 03:11 PM
>> On 03/11/2009 Paul Lemmons wrote:
>>
>>> I am currently using Thunderbird and am fairly happy with it. It's
>>> lack of corporate integrated calendar is the one really painful
>>> missing feature.
>>>
>> There is a calender [ Lightning ] that integrates with T-Bird. I
>> tried it a while back and, IMHO, it sucked. You might give it a try.
>> It may do what you need.
> The operative adjectives in the need are "corporate integrated". Yes,
> T-bird has lightening but it is a personal calendar only. It does not
> integrate with the corporate calendar to allow for meetings to be
> scheduled and attendee availability to be verified.
>

Being {re}tired I don't have to worry about such things anymore. *<]D

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Old 03-11-2009, 11:21 PM
Alan Dacey
 
Default Kmail? (Was: Akonadi)

Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 March 2009, Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Nobody's interested in implementing
>> it. Unless somebody comes up with a pluggable html editor that KMail can
>> use, I very much doubt it will ever happen.
>
> I dug into this a week ago and found there will be a patch to allow embedded
> images.... The patch didn't make it into KDE 4.2
>
>
Hope may be on the way
http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Summer_of_Code/2009/Ideas#Project:_Improvments_in_KMail.27s_HTML_suppo rt


From reply #78 http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86423

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Old 03-12-2009, 02:04 PM
Derek Broughton
 
Default Kmail? (Was: Akonadi)

Dotan Cohen wrote:

>> been there done that
>>
>> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86423
>>
>
> Ah, HTML mail. The devs know and are actually working on it. Yes, they
> are. I've discussed this over on the KDE-PIM and bugsquad lists. There
> is hope for KDE 4.3 but I don't expect it to be usable until 4.4.
> That's about a year away.

Ah. Well even though I hardly use HTML mail, this would then be (to get
back to the original question) an advantage of having Akonadi. Not that
Akonadi actually makes it possible (I don't know about that) but because
for so long I listened to developers say that they were essentially doing
nothing else _but_ the port to Akonadi, and now that that's done we seem to
be seeing a faster pace of other development.

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