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Old 03-10-2009, 03:43 AM
Jorge Pérez
 
Default strange plasma and behavior in KDE 4.2

I just upgraded my Kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10. The panel is having a strange behavior.

The clock and "system tray" areas is huge with a lot of unused space (as you can see in the screenshot). I don't have the "open windows" area and some icons are missing (I tried to use the Oxygen icon theme but a lot of icons was broken and now I'm using another theme)


I re-instaled KDE (apt-get update kde) but that didn't help.

P.S: I did a fresh instalation on my laptop and everything was ok, but in my desktop I only have the upgrade option, so I have to fix that problems.


any idea/sugestion?

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Old 03-10-2009, 03:45 AM
Jorge Pérez
 
Default strange plasma and behavior in KDE 4.2

Sorry, I forgot the screenshot link:

http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4079/img01.png
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Old 03-10-2009, 06:16 AM
Steven Vollom
 
Default strange plasma and behavior in KDE 4.2

Jorge Pérez wrote:
> I just upgraded my Kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10. The panel is having a strange
> behavior.
>
> The clock and "system tray" areas is huge with a lot of unused space
> (as you can see in the screenshot). I don't have the "open windows"
> area and some icons are missing (I tried to use the Oxygen icon theme
> but a lot of icons was broken and now I'm using another theme)
The things that did not work, probably need dependent packages, or
perhaps your system is not up to the technology. They probably are not
broken. But if you video card is not reasonably current, it will
probably not be able to handle all the plasmoids and special features.
And too little memory may be a problem. If you can't come up with the
necessary tools, you won't be able to take advantage of the features.
Other than that, it is probably just a configuration problem
>
> I re-instaled KDE (apt-get update kde) but that didn't help.
It may not go back to what you are used to, it may however move you to
something better. It is just a matter of coming up to speed.

Did you use the command apt-get update kde or did you use sudo apt-get
install update kde. If you want to update kde, it takes sudo privilege;
so to get it done, you have to use the term sudo. Also it may work
without the word install, but I was taught to use install as well. And
by not including the word kde, you will upgrade everything, not just
KDE. You want every thing updated. You also want every thing upgraded
to the most current stable status, so you should consider sudo apt-get
install upgrade too. That will upgrade all your system default
applications to the same state of current.

Then you should forget about retaining much of anything about Hardy
Heron and KDE 3.5.10. You are right to be in KDE 4.2; it is much better
than KDE 4.1 or 3.5.10 or 3.5.9 and so forth and so on.

Then, and this is the most difficult thing to accept is that you are
moving to a better way of doing things. If it doesn't look or operate
the same as what you are used to, don't get negative and say why did
they do this that way, I liked what used to be just fine. Because then
you will be looking backward and not forward where all of progress is.
You have to trust the fact you will be easily able to make the
transition to something new. And you will see that the developers are
really making things better. With that attitude, you will progress
faster and have a better time moving up to the new technology, and more
experts will want to take the time to help you.

Saying that, consider the fact that maybe nothing is really missing; it
is just different. So the next step is to play with the new Operating
System/Desktop and find where the thing you used to find easily are
located now. You will have to add certain applications that you used to
have and like in your previous issue of Kubuntu/KDE, like perhaps
Firefox or Thunderbird. You will have to find what new applications
have replaced the application you are used to. Don't worry so much
about wondering why did they change a perfect application, just accept
the fact that you will probably understand the new packages obvious
benefits in not too long a time.

After you have installed all the packages that you used to have and are
still offered, then update and upgrade them, to take advantage of all
the latest features and improvements.

Some of the features you will have now are just so much higher tech that
you will call them Glitzy. If you are an old timer who just wants to
work in a terminal, you may not have much use for them, but for anyone
just coming off a Microsoft product, you will enjoy these features,
because they are graphic and very Hi-Tech.

If you multi-task a lot, like have the email you are working from or
responding too, have references made to a certain forum on the Internet,
perhaps have Dolphin open, or Gwenview or an art program, it doesn't
take many such applications to have them overlapping and hard to find on
the work area. For me, I would have to search the menu bar to get where
I needed to be. Usually I would have to pause, because of abbreviations
or small print.

In the new Operating System, with KDE 4.2, you simply move the cursor
into the upper left corner of the screen, and all of those applications
+ any completely minimized applications you may have open and used to be
on the Kmenu panel, will come on the screen at once. Each one will be
reduced in size enough to see them all and have none overlapping.
Reading the contents of one of the pages might be difficult because
having a lot of applications open at the same time can sometimes make
them very small to view when not overlapping, but you should have no
difficulty recognizing, at a glance, the one you want on top. Then just
click on it and it will return to the surface of the work area to use.
You won't have to move a lot of applications around to find the one you
want. It is easier and faster and in my opinion better than before. It
isn't just Hi-tech and Glitzy as some may say. It is practical and
useful and fast.

To have that feature working, you have to activate desktop effects, but
along with that feature are several new technology features you might
enjoy. Just realize that if you don't like that large clock, you can
right-click on it and make it go away. You won't necessarly be able to
make things go back to the way you are used to, but before you had a
clock on the desktop you needed but did not have it. It is still the
same, you need it, so you will probably have it. Why not give the
current issue a chance to grow on you.

You should make sure your video card is suited to all the new stuff. If
there are updates or new drivers that make the new things work better,
then update them. If you just loved Kaffeine and default is now Dragon
player, give it a chance. You will find the features that make it
better as a default application. And if you love Kaffeine and have to
have it, install it. No one is stopping you.

You will want to make sure your sound card is up to date so that you get
trouble free sound. These are things you are going to have to deal with
as you change in operation. And when you are finished, you will have a
computer that you will like to look at, because it will be fancier and
more beautiful, and you will love the greater function. You will
probably even forget those applications that were your favorite
applications yesterday and are no longer available, once you get used to
the advanced way of doing things. And it will probably be a similar
experience when you change to Insipid or the one that follows.

There was a time when cars did not exist. Buggy whip manufactures
thrived, and overnight their profession disappeared, but who would want
to go to the barn on a cold and frosty morning to bridle the horses and
hook up the wagon to sit on a wooden bench for the 3 hour 20 mile ride
into town for a quart of milk. Isn't better, to click the button on
your key ring and come to your car, with its soft seats into a 72 degree
driving compartment, with music playing for the 20 minute ride to get
your milk. It is the same with technology. Embrace it and enjoy it is
my motto.

Everything is there that you need. Get used to your new tool, then come
back with specific needs, and the real gurus of this List will come to
your assistance. I was almost unteachable, yet I am learning fast now.
This is the best place for you and your new system. And the really
intelligent helpers will have patience with you until you gradually
sharpen up. But the better your attitude and the more willing you are
to go forward instead of brood over lost applications, the more they
will help you to understand the better way.
>
> P.S: I did a fresh instalation on my laptop and everything was ok, but
> in my desktop I only have the upgrade option, so I have to fix that
> problems. When you know the problem that needs fixing, bring it bacl
> to the list. Some generous and kind person will be here to help you.
>
> any idea/sugestion?

That is my idea and suggestion. You will love this list. It is the
best of its kind. It prospers because of a large group of generous,
selfless, experts who are willing to take the time to help you the way
you think you need help. Eventually they will help you to get help a
better way. Then you can help others too.

Good luck friend, I will always help you with the things I am capable of
helping. Although this is a long post, I think it will help you get
what you want and need faster, and you will enjoy the process more.

Cheers! Cudos, Caio and Cordially,

Steven


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Old 03-10-2009, 07:37 AM
Jonas Norlander
 
Default strange plasma and behavior in KDE 4.2

2009/3/10 Jorge Pérez <kokiperex@gmail.com>:
> I just upgraded my Kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10. The panel is having a strange
> behavior.
>
> The clock and "system tray" areas is huge with a lot of unused space (as you
> can see in the screenshot). I don't have the "open windows" area and some
> icons are missing (I tried to use the Oxygen icon theme but a lot of icons
> was broken and now I'm using another theme)
>
> I re-instaled KDE (apt-get update kde) but that didn't help.
>
> P.S: I did a fresh instalation on my laptop and everything was ok, but in my
> desktop I only have the upgrade option, so I have to fix that problems.
>
> any idea/sugestion?
>
> thanks
>
> --
> Jorge

The widgets is kind of stupid, they should have a configure option how
they should fill the area around them but they don't. One way to make
widgets align to the right is to add the "Activity manager" (i don't
know it's English name) and place it to the left of the widgets you
want to align to the right. There are also a widget Panel Spacer
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Panel+Spacer?content=89304
that you can use but I never got to work. Panel spacer is also in
Intrepid with KDE 4.2.

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Old 03-10-2009, 10:07 AM
Steven Vollom
 
Default strange plasma and behavior in KDE 4.2

Jorge Pérez wrote:
> Sorry, I forgot the screenshot link:
>
> http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4079/img01.png
>
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> Jorge
That looks pretty normal to me, Jorge. You can put other Icon shortcuts
on there if you want. It looks like you operate with Ubuntu. I operate
with KDE. I am not familiar with and can't help you with Gnome. It
seems I recall you don't like the large clock on your panel. I would
prefer it, myself. I have older eyes, I guess, and enjoy a little size
when reading anything.

Maybe it was a presumption to think you were using Ubuntu instead of
Kubuntu, however the icon on the far left has a big K in the middle of
it on my desktop, indicating KDE.

What is your processor and your ram? I have a quad core with 8gb of
ram, so there isn't much I can't run with my computer now. If you are
low on memory and with a slow processor, you can't get much from the
desktop extra effects. I sure like them. Of course, I am a
fine-artist, and visuals seem to be more important to people in my
profession.

Have a great day, friend.

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Old 03-10-2009, 12:33 PM
Glenn R Williams
 
Default strange plasma and behavior in KDE 4.2

On Tuesday 10 March 2009 00:45:16 Jorge Pérez wrote:
> Sorry, I forgot the screenshot link:
>
> http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4079/img01.png

Jorge,

Does it stay the same size if you right click on the widget, select "Digital
Clock Settings", and tell it to display the day of the week as well?

Glenn

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Old 03-10-2009, 01:43 PM
"D. R. Evans"
 
Default strange plasma and behavior in KDE 4.2

Jorge Pérez said the following at 03/09/2009 10:43 PM :

>
> The clock and "system tray" areas is huge with a lot of unused space (as you

I filed a bug report about the size of the clock, and was told that it's
infinitely resizeable (see <49ADAAF2.2080709@gmail.com> posted on this
reflector; the actual words were "manageable as a freely resizable object").

Which is great, except that I sure can't figure out how to resize it, nor
have I been able to persuade any of the developers to give me instructions.

FYI, the bug report is at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=185447. It
is marked RESOLVED / WONTFIX.

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Old 03-10-2009, 02:19 PM
Eberhard Roloff
 
Default strange plasma and behavior in KDE 4.2

Jorge Pérez wrote:
> Sorry, I forgot the screenshot link:
>
> http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4079/img01.png
>
> --
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>
Maybe you can start with square one, i.e. the default kubuntu desktop.

For this I frequently move .kde/ to a backup place like .kde.org/ and
then restart kde.

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Old 03-10-2009, 04:03 PM
Jorge Pérez
 
Default strange plasma and behavior in KDE 4.2

>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:07:50 -0400
> From: Steven Vollom <stevenvollom@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: strange plasma and behavior in KDE 4.2
> To: Kubuntu Help and User Discussions <kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <49B64A06.60409@sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Jorge P?rez wrote:
>> Sorry, I forgot the screenshot link:
>>
>> http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/4079/img01.png
>>
>> --
>> Jorge
> That looks pretty normal to me, Jorge. You can put other Icon shortcuts
> on there if you want. It looks like you operate with Ubuntu. I operate
> with KDE. I am not familiar with and can't help you with Gnome. It
> seems I recall you don't like the large clock on your panel. I would
> prefer it, myself. I have older eyes, I guess, and enjoy a little size
> when reading anything.
>
> Maybe it was a presumption to think you were using Ubuntu instead of
> Kubuntu, however the icon on the far left has a big K in the middle of
> it on my desktop, indicating KDE.
>
> What is your processor and your ram? I have a quad core with 8gb of
> ram, so there isn't much I can't run with my computer now. If you are
> low on memory and with a slow processor, you can't get much from the
> desktop extra effects. I sure like them. Of course, I am a
> fine-artist, and visuals seem to be more important to people in my
> profession.
>
> Have a great day, friend.
>
> Steven
>
>
>
Hi Steven,

I'm using Kubuntu with KDE 4.2 but I'm not using the Oxygen icon theme
because it has missing icons (as you can see in the "device monitor"
plasmoid just on the left of the recycle bin icon)

The font size in the clock it's ok to me, the problem is the size of
the plasmoid. This screenshot may help to understand me:

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4012/screenshotn.png

As you can see, I have 2 plasmoids together (the "system tray" and the
clock plasmoid). The icons and font size are ok, but there are a lot
of space that I can't use (the red lines in the screenshot indicates
where the plasmoid begin/end when I try to relocate them)

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Old 03-10-2009, 05:08 PM
Glenn R Williams
 
Default strange plasma and behavior in KDE 4.2

On Tuesday 10 March 2009 10:43:49 D. R. Evans wrote:
> Jorge Pérez said the following at 03/09/2009 10:43 PM :
> > The clock and "system tray" areas is huge with a lot of unused space (as
> > you
>
> I filed a bug report about the size of the clock, and was told that it's
> infinitely resizeable (see <49ADAAF2.2080709@gmail.com> posted on this
> reflector; the actual words were "manageable as a freely resizable
> object").
>
> Which is great, except that I sure can't figure out how to resize it, nor
> have I been able to persuade any of the developers to give me instructions.
>
> FYI, the bug report is at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=185447. It
> is marked RESOLVED / WONTFIX.
>
> Doc

Doc,

They must mean "freely resizable" if it's a widget added to your desktop. On
the panel is another story, since the panel sizes things to fit.


My guess, anyway...

Glenn

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