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Old 03-03-2009, 08:33 PM
Bruce Marshall
 
Default Inserting Images in KMail

On Tuesday 03 March 2009, Art Alexion wrote:
> > Ok, I'm using 1.110 of Kmail. * Will go google to find out the status.
>
> I can save you the trouble. *No.

But coming to KDE 4.3. (supposedly)

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=89293


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Old 03-03-2009, 08:54 PM
Ignazio Palmisano
 
Default Inserting Images in KMail

Mark Greenwood wrote:
> On Tuesday 03 March 2009 21:07:43 Alvin wrote:
>> On Tuesday 03 March 2009 20:24:03 Mark Greenwood wrote:
>>> On Tuesday 03 March 2009 08:28:57 Alvin wrote:
>>>> On Monday 02 March 2009 23:40:42 Mark Greenwood wrote:
>>>>> OK, I think I know the answer to this already, and I think it's that
>>>>> KMail doesn't do HTML very well.. but just in case here goes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to insert an image into a mail so it appears inline, not as an
>>>>> attachment (like I can do in Evolution, Thunderbird, blimey even
>>>>> Outlook Express does that....) but KMail seems to only want to insert
>>>>> images as attachments, even though it's happy to display inline images
>>>>> in received messages. Is there something I'm missing, can I actually do
>>>>> this? I fear not, because the KMail developers seem to suffer from
>>>>> HTML-o-phobia if the mail archives are anything to go on
>>>> You don't need HTML for that. (HTML mail is evil)
>>> In what way is HTML mail "evil"? That's the attitude the KMail developers
>>> take. HTML mail is very useful.
>> There might be a few uses for it, I think. I don't use it and I write a lot of
>> mail. In most cases it just enlarges the mail. It is considered bad manners,
>> and certainly on a mailing list. My IMAP mailbox is only 20MB (yes, I'm paying
>> for that). Imagine a person who posts a lot of questions each day while using
>> HTML mail. I would have to unsubscribe from the list.
>
> OK I don't understand. You don't get 20MB of mail in a day, surely? Are you saying you leave all your mail on the server all the time? Having my mail locally is utterly crucial, so I can work offline if I'm on site and there's no net access. Why would you choose to leave it on the server? I honestly didn't know people still did that.
>

Well that's what gmail does unless you go and delete it, so people do
that quite a lot these days possible reasons: offsite backup, access
from different machines... that's mostly it for me. I download it too
and regularly delete stuff like mailing list messages from the server, I
want them available whether I'm online or not.

About "evil", I'd keep my moral labels for more relevant things HTML
email is of little use to me, and often annoying when I get one. More or
less like a mosquito. Doesn't mean someone else should think it's evil,
though.

2c,
I.

>>> I'll just have to use Thunderbird or Evolution instead.. but it's not a
>>> very nice resolution to the problem is it? I'll have to dispense with a
>>> nice, integrated mail client and use something else just because of
>>> someone's prejudice against technology. I mean, come on, grow up.
>>>
>>>> Just right-click your attachment, choose properties and check 'Suggest
>>>> automatic display'.
>>> Yeah, done that, but my friend's email client still just showed it as an
>>> attachment.
>> Ah, maybe he doesn't want to display attachments automatically. Hence the
>> 'suggestion'. Having control about how you want to view your mail is a good
>> thing.
>
> Well that's a matter of opinion If I send someone a mail I've spent time to format carefully, I want to know that they can see my careful formatting.
>
>> What mail client is that?
>
> Not sure, whatever she uses at work. She's a graphic designer, so Apple Mail, probably
>
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>>
>


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Old 03-03-2009, 09:10 PM
Chris Jones
 
Default Inserting Images in KMail

Hi,


OK I don't understand. You don't get 20MB of mail in a day, surely? Are you saying you leave all your mail on the server all the time? Having my mail locally is utterly crucial, so I can work offline if I'm on site and there's no net access. Why would you choose to leave it on the server? I honestly didn't know people still did that.


Clearly you don't access your email from more than one machine ? If you did, then downloading your mail to that machine (i.e. using the POP protocol) is extremely inconvenient, as once an email is downloaded it can only be read on that machine.
Leaving your email on the server (i.e. imap) is the solution in this case, as then the same mail is available everywhere. CHanges you make in one place are automatically sync'ed with the server and thus available everywhere.
Personally, I use IMAP for this very reason. I access my email from many different locations and machines. I don't mind getting the odd html email from family and friends, and the odd work contact. But if everyone on a high usage mailing list, like ubuntu, used html email it would significantly increase the size of my mail folders. This is why html is generally banned on most mailing lists.
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Old 03-03-2009, 09:19 PM
Mark Greenwood
 
Default Inserting Images in KMail

On Tuesday 03 March 2009 22:10:35 Chris Jones wrote:

> > Hi,

>

> >

> >

> > OK I don't understand. You don't get 20MB of mail in a day, surely?

> > Are you saying you leave all your mail on the server all the time?

> > Having my mail locally is utterly crucial, so I can work offline if

> > I'm on site and there's no net access. Why would you choose to leave

> > it on the server? I honestly didn't know people still did that.

> >

>

> Clearly you don't access your email from more than one machine ?



No need, I have one of these modern machines that I can take with me, a laptop I think they call it



Anyway, enough of this, don't want mailboxes filling up with banter..



Mark



> If

> you did, then downloading your mail to that machine (i.e. using the

> POP protocol) is extremely inconvenient, as once an email is

> downloaded it can only be read on that machine.

> Leaving your email on the server (i.e. imap) is the solution in this

> case, as then the same mail is available everywhere. CHanges you make

> in one place are automatically sync'ed with the server and thus

> available everywhere.

>

> Personally, I use IMAP for this very reason. I access my email from

> many different locations and machines. I don't mind getting the odd

> html email from family and friends, and the odd work contact. But if

> everyone on a high usage mailing list, like ubuntu, used html email it

> would significantly increase the size of my mail folders. This is why

> html is generally banned on most mailing lists.

>

> cheers Chris



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Old 03-04-2009, 09:56 AM
Jonas Norlander
 
Default Inserting Images in KMail

2009/3/3 Mark Greenwood <fatgerman@ntlworld.com>:
> On Tuesday 03 March 2009 08:28:57 Alvin wrote:
>> On Monday 02 March 2009 23:40:42 Mark Greenwood wrote:
>> > OK, I think I know the answer to this already, and I think it's that
>> > KMail
>> > doesn't do HTML very well.. but just in case here goes.
>> >
>> > I want to insert an image into a mail so it appears inline, not as an
>> > attachment (like I can do in Evolution, Thunderbird, blimey even Outlook
>> > Express does that....) but KMail seems to only want to insert images as
>> > attachments, even though it's happy to display inline images in received
>> > messages. Is there something I'm missing, can I actually do this? I fear
>> > not, because the KMail developers seem to suffer from HTML-o-phobia if
>> > the
>> > mail archives are anything to go on
>>
>> You don't need HTML for that. (HTML mail is evil)
>
> In what way is HTML mail "evil"? That's the attitude the KMail developers
> take. HTML mail is very useful.
>

Today the mail clients are much safer then they were before when
Microsoft started to use HTML in mails. I don't mind HTML mail as much
this day, the security risk is not that big as it was before like with
Outlook Express that downloaded external attachment from the net
without notified the user (and run them as administrator). That's why
it is/was EVIL.
But overall i still think that HTML mail should be kept of mailing
lists and only used private. I also think if you realy need to format
a mail you are using the wrong tool. Use a real wordprocessor and
attach the document to the mail.

/ Jonas

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Old 03-04-2009, 03:27 PM
Art Alexion
 
Default Inserting Images in KMail

On Tuesday 03 March 2009 02:40:21 pm Bruce Marshall wrote:
> Ok SA, *you explain to my wife why she can't do it when all the email she
> gets has embedded pictures....


Set her up with Thunderbird in the interim if that is important to her.
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Old 03-04-2009, 03:44 PM
Pastor JW
 
Default Inserting Images in KMail

On Wednesday 04 March 2009 2:56:26 am Jonas Norlander wrote:
> > In what way is HTML mail "evil"? That's the attitude the KMail developers
> > take. HTML mail is very useful.
>
> Today the mail clients are much safer then they were before when
> Microsoft started to use HTML in mails. I don't mind HTML mail as much
> this day, the security risk is not that big as it was before like with
> Outlook Express that downloaded external attachment from the net
> without notified the user (and run them as administrator). That's why
> it is/was EVIL.
> But overall i still think that HTML mail should be kept of mailing
> lists and only used private. I also think if you realy need to format
> a mail you are using the wrong tool. Use a real wordprocessor and
> attach the document to the mail.

Because of the bulk HTML adds to the message it is unwise to allow that type
of message in a maillist. It is unwise anyway as it pollutes the bandwidth
with its excess size causing rates to increase. Too, it is unwise because of
the security risks still today. Of coruse it is also unwise to send an HTML
message to me as it is filtered directly to the trash with no human eyes
seeing it. HTML's place on the net is webpages but even those at times get to
cluttered with junk to be useful, so good browsers like Firefox can be setup
to kill off a bunch of the more offensive garbage. To make Kmail into yet
another browser would destroy the value Kmail has and that is as an EXCELLENT
email program. I also do not use Kontact as it is too bloated, just Kmail by
itself, although it too is getting bulky. I like trim and fast tools.

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Old 03-04-2009, 06:31 PM
Mark Greenwood
 
Default Inserting Images in KMail

On Wednesday 04 March 2009 16:44:31 Pastor JW wrote:

> I like trim and fast tools.



So just use the command line..??



Mark



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Old 03-04-2009, 11:08 PM
Ric Moore
 
Default Inserting Images in KMail

On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 19:40 +0000, Mark Greenwood wrote:
> On Tuesday 03 March 2009 19:30:53 Ric Moore wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 12:26 -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 03 March 2009, Nigel Henry wrote:
> > > > > I sent a mail to myself but saw no difference.... Oh well.....
> > > >
> > > > Out of interest, I've just sent an email to myself using the
> "suggest
> > > > automatic display" , with an attached text file, and lo, and
> behold, it
> > > > works. I'd always wondered how that was done, and now I know.
> > >
> > >
> > > I just tried it with a text file as an attachment.
> > >
> > > All it did was to display the text in a box (automatically, yes)
> as opposed to
> > > just showing it as an attachment at the bottom. But it was still
> placed at the
> > > end of the email.
> > >
> > > But the OP wanted to insert pictures *within* pieces of text of an
> email...
> > > such as explanations of each picture. Doesn't seem like that is
> possible.
> >
> > I guess that proves the existence of God and "Blind Justice".
> Remember
> > Alice's Restaurant?
> >
> > "Obie came to the realization that it was a typical case of American
> > blind justice, and there wasn't nothing he could do about it, and
> the
> > judge wasn't going to look at the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour
> > glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the
> back
> > of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence
> against
> > us."
> >
> > Arlo knew in the 70's that HTML mail was doomed. <cackles> Ric
>
>
>
> ROFL... someone's gonna have to explain to me exactly what is wrong
> with HTML... I mean, the web kind of caught on and that's more or less
> based on it...

Nope, you got your Internet history wrong. In the Beginning, of email,
there was ASCII text, and everyone could use it. Quite a bit Later HTML
style email cropped up, mostly out of early AOL or one of those other
graphical $29 a month plans, which pretty much locked in their consumers
to the use of it. Since you paid by the minute, the more crap you
entered or received within the body of an email earned the server more
money. But, there were still services like Delphi that were strictly
text based. You have to either know or learn UNIX to navigate. No push
and click there. So, from that schism you have two forks, DOS / Win /
AOL / Compuserve graphical or Unix text command line style.

The camp you're in now is <give me a drum roll!> <badda bang!> ...UNIX!
<waves of applause> ...and we want our writings to available to all.
-Everyone- can deal with ASCII text. In graphical HTML style, not
everyone can read it. Try reading a graphical message, full of emoticons
and pink unicorns that sparkle, with a text-to-speech reader for the
blind. Heh, heh heh.... crazy.

You can read text messages on an XT with no sweat, or a Z-80 running
cp/m or a 6502 Apple][ or your wrist watch. Highly versatile, which
makes it the "Right Thing". <---the Hacker's Sacred Chalice,
...to share information -with-, as opposed to -at-.

Or, we could have pink Unicorns, throbbing purple hearts with rotating
arrows in them, copies of tattoos and gang/drug related paraphernalia,
displayed page after page, with some words scattered around like
"OMIGOSH!", "nO wAy mAn!" or, worst of all, "kewl...". <shudders> Oh,
the humanity! Drowned in an intellectual sea of mediocrity.

There you have it. I hope this nightmarish scenario has awakened you to
the perils of HTML style messages --within a public forum--. For you
wife's PERSONAL usage, that is another story. I use Evolution and I
<think> that it allows html style which ought to be able to include
graphics as that is what HTML is supposed to do. I've never tried it.
But, for your sake, I'll switch to HTML style and see if I can send you
an email with graphics within the text, ...as you've been a good
sport. Peace, Ric

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Old 03-05-2009, 07:46 PM
Mark Greenwood
 
Default Inserting Images in KMail

On Thursday 05 March 2009 00:08:25 Ric Moore wrote:

> On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 19:40 +0000, Mark Greenwood wrote:

> > On Tuesday 03 March 2009 19:30:53 Ric Moore wrote:

> > > On Tue, 2009-03-03 at 12:26 -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote:

> > > > On Tuesday 03 March 2009, Nigel Henry wrote:

> > > > > > I sent a mail to myself but saw no difference.... Oh well.....

> > > > >

> > > > > Out of interest, I've just sent an email to myself using the

> > "suggest

> > > > > automatic display" , with an attached text file, and lo, and

> > behold, it

> > > > > works. I'd always wondered how that was done, and now I know.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I just tried it with a text file as an attachment.

> > > >

> > > > All it did was to display the text in a box (automatically, yes)

> > as opposed to

> > > > just showing it as an attachment at the bottom. But it was still

> > placed at the

> > > > end of the email.

> > > >

> > > > But the OP wanted to insert pictures *within* pieces of text of an

> > email...

> > > > such as explanations of each picture. Doesn't seem like that is

> > possible.

> > >

> > > I guess that proves the existence of God and "Blind Justice".

> > Remember

> > > Alice's Restaurant?

> > >

> > > "Obie came to the realization that it was a typical case of American

> > > blind justice, and there wasn't nothing he could do about it, and

> > the

> > > judge wasn't going to look at the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour

> > > glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the

> > back

> > > of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence

> > against

> > > us."

> > >

> > > Arlo knew in the 70's that HTML mail was doomed. <cackles> Ric

> >

> >

> >

> > ROFL... someone's gonna have to explain to me exactly what is wrong

> > with HTML... I mean, the web kind of caught on and that's more or less

> > based on it...

>

> Nope, you got your Internet history wrong. In the Beginning, of email,

> there was ASCII text, and everyone could use it. Quite a bit Later HTML

> style email cropped up, mostly out of early AOL or one of those other

> graphical $29 a month plans, which pretty much locked in their consumers

> to the use of it. Since you paid by the minute, the more crap you

> entered or received within the body of an email earned the server more

> money. But, there were still services like Delphi that were strictly

> text based. You have to either know or learn UNIX to navigate. No push

> and click there. So, from that schism you have two forks, DOS / Win /

> AOL / Compuserve graphical or Unix text command line style.

>

> The camp you're in now is <give me a drum roll!> <badda bang!> ...UNIX!

> <waves of applause> ...and we want our writings to available to all.

> -Everyone- can deal with ASCII text. In graphical HTML style, not

> everyone can read it. Try reading a graphical message, full of emoticons

> and pink unicorns that sparkle, with a text-to-speech reader for the

> blind. Heh, heh heh.... crazy.

>

> You can read text messages on an XT with no sweat, or a Z-80 running

> cp/m or a 6502 Apple][ or your wrist watch. Highly versatile, which

> makes it the "Right Thing". <---the Hacker's Sacred Chalice,

> ...to share information -with-, as opposed to -at-.

>

> Or, we could have pink Unicorns, throbbing purple hearts with rotating

> arrows in them, copies of tattoos and gang/drug related paraphernalia,

> displayed page after page, with some words scattered around like

> "OMIGOSH!", "nO wAy mAn!" or, worst of all, "kewl...". <shudders> Oh,

> the humanity! Drowned in an intellectual sea of mediocrity.

>

> There you have it. I hope this nightmarish scenario has awakened you to

> the perils of HTML style messages --within a public forum--. For you

> wife's PERSONAL usage, that is another story. I use Evolution and I

> <think> that it allows html style which ought to be able to include

> graphics as that is what HTML is supposed to do. I've never tried it.

> But, for your sake, I'll switch to HTML style and see if I can send you

> an email with graphics within the text, ...as you've been a good

> sport. Peace, Ric

>

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Some people like pink unicorns. I don't, but I will defend to the death my sister's right to insert them into emails without even the slightest provocation. I'm not going to be some kind of pink unicorn nazi and make my sister wear a big sparkly badge to mark her out as an HTML USER!



But, my reference to HTML was referring to the WEB not to email. The web wouldn't exist without HTML. And lo! They saw the markup, and the markup was good and worthy and didst showeth them wherein was the title and the images. Isn't it time you allowed HTML into *your* life?



Yours foolishly,



Mark

>

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> "There are two Great Sins in the world...

> ..the Sin of Ignorance, and the Sin of Stupidity.

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>

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