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Old 12-14-2008, 02:54 AM
Steven Vollom
 
Default Kmail sending problem.

I apologize to the List. When I changed to Kmail and stopped using
Thunderbird, I had sending problems. Because they don't seem to go away, and
I haven't been able to fix the reply problem, I decided to use Thunderbird
again.

I just sent my first email using Thunderbird and had to resend it. So it is
apparent that the problem is probably server related and not Kmail. Although
the email did not go to the Outbox, I did get a notification that there was a
problem connecting with the server, so that is sufficiently similar to the
problem in Kmail.

For AT&T to be willing to service a Linux program, there is a required fee of
$100. I can't afford that, so I will have to live with the problem. Their
service is the only DSL service that is affordable to me. It's always
something.

There is someone else with kmail sending problems, so I will not post this as
resolved, but it is resolved as far as I am concerned.

Steven

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Old 12-14-2008, 03:20 AM
"Kevin B. O'Brien"
 
Default Kmail sending problem.

Steven Vollom wrote:
> I apologize to the List. When I changed to Kmail and stopped using
> Thunderbird, I had sending problems. Because they don't seem to go away, and
> I haven't been able to fix the reply problem, I decided to use Thunderbird
> again.
>
> I just sent my first email using Thunderbird and had to resend it. So it is
> apparent that the problem is probably server related and not Kmail. Although
> the email did not go to the Outbox, I did get a notification that there was a
> problem connecting with the server, so that is sufficiently similar to the
> problem in Kmail.
>
> For AT&T to be willing to service a Linux program, there is a required fee of
> $100. I can't afford that, so I will have to live with the problem. Their
> service is the only DSL service that is affordable to me. It's always
> something.
>
> There is someone else with kmail sending problems, so I will not post this as
> resolved, but it is resolved as far as I am concerned.
As far as I know, there is no reason for a server to care about the OS
used to send mail. I use Thunderbird on both Linux and Windows machines,
and it works fine on both.

Since the issue you had was with sending, I would go through a checklist
on configuration. Verify the SMTP server, make sure you have all of the
usual account information correct. And see if they are using some kind
of authentication on sending mail. That is something they might be doing
as an anti-spam measure. Also, are they using the normal port? My
Comcast account, for instance, forced me to change the port for SMTP
from the normal 25 to 587. They claimed they had detected spam coming
out of my computer, but I doubt they could find their ass with both
hands, so I tend to disbelieve them.<g>

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Old 12-14-2008, 10:38 AM
Billie Walsh
 
Default Kmail sending problem.

On 12/13/2008 Steven Vollom wrote:
> For AT&T to be willing to service a Linux program, there is a
> required fee of
> $100. I can't afford that, so I will have to live with the problem.
> Their
> service is the only DSL service that is affordable to me. It's
> always
> something.

There's no need to even contact ATT with this. Everything needed is on
the ATT/Yahoo setup pages. Every setting needed is exactly the same for
Outlook, Thunderbird, and anything else you can imagine. There isn't
anything they can do for you that isn't already on those pages.

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Old 12-14-2008, 11:34 AM
David Fletcher
 
Default Kmail sending problem.

On Sunday 14 December 2008 04:20:09 Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
>
> As far as I know, there is no reason for a server to care about the OS
> used to send mail. I use Thunderbird on both Linux and Windows machines,
> and it works fine on both.
Same here - the idea is that everybody speaks the same protocols for each
purpose and understands each other.
>
> Since the issue you had was with sending, I would go through a checklist
> on configuration. Verify the SMTP server, make sure you have all of the
> usual account information correct. And see if they are using some kind
In my experience, if you select one of your sending accounts, click modify,
then the security tab and click the "Check what the Server Supports" button,
and it configures the security settings without issuing any error message,
then the sending account is good to go. If this step fails, then something is
wrong.

> of authentication on sending mail. That is something they might be doing
> as an anti-spam measure. Also, are they using the normal port? My
> Comcast account, for instance, forced me to change the port for SMTP
> from the normal 25 to 587. They claimed they had detected spam coming
This is a good work around if you need/want to use an SMTP box other than the
one your ISP provides. I do it because I consider the SMTP service provided
by the specialist web services provider I use to be more reliable than that
provided by my ISP, plus I can use it from anywhere I can get a connection
for my laptop.

Something I don't think anybody has mentioned, or I've missed it:- After you
set up an identity with your reply-to address etc., you can set that identity
to use a specific sending account, that you already verified using the Check
what the Server Supports procedure. Select the identity, click Modify, select
the Advanced tab. At the bottom is a tick box marked "Special Transport". If
this is selected you can specify which sending account is used for the
identity. That way, you know exactly what it will do when the Send button is
clicked.

Dave

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Old 12-14-2008, 12:02 PM
Steven Vollom
 
Default Kmail sending problem.

>Every setting needed is exactly the same for
> Outlook, Thunderbird, and anything else you can imagine. There isn't
> anything they can do for you that isn't already on those pages.

Everything in my configuration is exactly as presented, so it can't be a
configuration problem. All solutions are the same and do not change
anything. It is time to let it go.

Steven

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Old 12-14-2008, 12:45 PM
"O. Sinclair"
 
Default Kmail sending problem.

David Fletcher wrote:
> On Sunday 14 December 2008 04:20:09 Kevin B. O'Brien wrote:
>> As far as I know, there is no reason for a server to care about the OS
>> used to send mail. I use Thunderbird on both Linux and Windows machines,
>> and it works fine on both.
> Same here - the idea is that everybody speaks the same protocols for each
> purpose and understands each other.
>> Since the issue you had was with sending, I would go through a checklist
>> on configuration. Verify the SMTP server, make sure you have all of the
>> usual account information correct. And see if they are using some kind
> In my experience, if you select one of your sending accounts, click modify,
> then the security tab and click the "Check what the Server Supports" button,
> and it configures the security settings without issuing any error message,
> then the sending account is good to go. If this step fails, then something is
> wrong.
>
Sorry but I beg to differ - there have been occasions when KMail reports
that the server support some protocol/verfication and when I try and use
it all goes belly up. I can not give you an example, it has been a while
since I did some setup of this, but I know it has happened. Then I have
changed from eg APOP to LOGIN and all works after that.


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Old 12-14-2008, 01:28 PM
lanzen
 
Default Kmail sending problem.

On Sunday 14 December 2008 14:45:37 O. Sinclair wrote:

> Sorry but I beg to differ - there have been occasions when KMail reports
> that the server support some protocol/verfication and when I try and use
> it all goes belly up. I can not give you an example, it has been a while
> since I did some setup of this, but I know it has happened. Then I have
> changed from eg APOP to LOGIN and all works after that.

True. Sometimes two or three would appear as available but not always my first
choice among them was succesful.

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Old 12-14-2008, 03:29 PM
David Fletcher
 
Default Kmail sending problem.

On Sunday 14 Dec 2008, O. Sinclair wrote:
> David Fletcher wrote:
> > In my experience, if you select one of your sending accounts, click
modify,
> > then the security tab and click the "Check what the Server Supports"
button,
> > and it configures the security settings without issuing any error message,
> > then the sending account is good to go. If this step fails, then something
is
> > wrong.
> >
> Sorry but I beg to differ - there have been occasions when KMail reports
> that the server support some protocol/verfication and when I try and use
> it all goes belly up. I can not give you an example, it has been a while
> since I did some setup of this, but I know it has happened. Then I have
> changed from eg APOP to LOGIN and all works after that.
>

I did say "In my experience". Mostly that is with One and One, but they do run
a lot of Linux so they probably know what they're doing :-)

Dave


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Old 12-23-2008, 05:54 PM
Valter Mura
 
Default Kmail sending problem.

Il domenica 14 dicembre 2008 04:54:19 Steven Vollom ha scritto:
> I apologize to the List. When I changed to Kmail and stopped using
> Thunderbird, I had sending problems. Because they don't seem to go away,
> and I haven't been able to fix the reply problem, I decided to use
> Thunderbird again.
>
> I just sent my first email using Thunderbird and had to resend it. So it
> is apparent that the problem is probably server related and not Kmail.
> Although the email did not go to the Outbox, I did get a notification that
> there was a problem connecting with the server, so that is sufficiently
> similar to the problem in Kmail.
>
> For AT&T to be willing to service a Linux program, there is a required fee
> of $100. I can't afford that, so I will have to live with the problem.
> Their service is the only DSL service that is affordable to me. It's
> always something.

Dear Steven,

I understand you need, as everybody here, an affordable dsl provider to work
with.
But I think you could change your *mail* provider without concern, as I did in
the past. I have an Internet provider which is different from the mail I use.
Try Google and leave AT&T and send an advice to all your friend.
IMHO.

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Old 12-23-2008, 06:06 PM
andrew heggie
 
Default Kmail sending problem.

Valter Mura wrote:

> Try Google and leave AT&T and send an advice to all your friend.

Just use Googlemail, forward mail to your current mail account, and don't
worry about whether people see you've changed your mail account, you'll
still get mails addressed to both accounts.

AJH


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