On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:01:45 -0500
Temlakos wrote:

> Does yumex still preserve this group-searching
> capability?

I've given up on all the GUIs. I just use things like
"yum search", etc.

All the GUIs seem to have decided (on the basis of
apparent total urban legend) to split into the GUI
half and a backend dbus-based server to do the work.
Unfortunately the dbus interface they all use has
no concept of providing feedback. Using the GUIs
reminds me of trying to drive a car with a 10 second
delay between operating a control and anything
happening.
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On 16/12/10 15:01, Temlakos wrote:
> Everyone:
>
> Some package-management questions:
>
> 1. The package called "smart" doesn't seem to work anymore. It seems
> to me that it can't keep up with its channel files. I wonder why F14
> even has a version of "smart" in its repos, if we already have yum,
> yumex, and package managers specific to KDE and Gnome. At least those
> managers get the job done.

It works for me, in f13, and provides easily accessible information on
package contents, location, dependencies, history. 'Can't keep up'
isn't very specific.

John P


>
> 2. KPackagekit does not allow very good searching within groups of
> packages anymore--not in F14, it doesn't. When I was setting up F14 and
> used KPackagekit for the first time, I got lots of icons for application
> groups. The minute I used the program once, to install some programs,
> those icons disappeared and I've never been able to get them back. Am I
> missing something? Does yumex still preserve this group-searching
> capability?
>
> Temlakos

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On 12/16/2010 10:29 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:01:45 -0500
> Temlakos wrote:
>
>
>> Does yumex still preserve this group-searching
>> capability?
>>
> I've given up on all the GUIs. I just use things like
> "yum search", etc.
>
> All the GUIs seem to have decided (on the basis of
> apparent total urban legend) to split into the GUI
> half and a backend dbus-based server to do the work.
> Unfortunately the dbus interface they all use has
> no concept of providing feedback. Using the GUIs
> reminds me of trying to drive a car with a 10 second
> delay between operating a control and anything
> happening.
>
Where do I go for information on running that kind of command-line search?

This isn't totally academic. I also administer a Web server, and I find
that a command-line interface is the only way that I can do any kind of
installation or upgrade. (I have to connect using secure-shell.) Might
as well learn how to do it in that context...

Temlakos
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:11:03 -0500
Temlakos <temlakos@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 12/16/2010 10:29 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 10:01:45 -0500
> > Temlakos wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Does yumex still preserve this group-searching
> >> capability?
> >>
> > I've given up on all the GUIs. I just use things like
> > "yum search", etc.
> >
> Where do I go for information on running that kind of command-line
> search?

yum's man page seems to do a very good job of describing its
functionality. And there is also repoquery to do related sorts
of things, also with a extensive man page.
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On Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:11:03 am Temlakos wrote:
> This isn't totally academic. I also administer a Web server, and I find
> that a command-line interface is the only way that I can do any kind of
> installation or upgrade. (I have to connect using secure-shell.) Might
> as well learn how to do it in that context...

Both kpackagekit and GNOME PackageKit run well through an ssh-tunneled X session or through NX.

Some of the nicer GUI utilities for system administration on F14 run well through 'ssh -Y' as well; virtually the whole 'system-config-*' collection, as well as the palimpsest Disk Utility. The palimpsest utility, in particular, does a whole slew of things that takes multipe CLI utilities to do, and gives you lots of great information in a single window.

While I use CLI (and I've used it for more than 20 years on different Unix and unixlike system) for many things, especially on slow connections, there are a few cases where the GUI is easier, as long as you have a relatively fast connection. SELinux configuration, for instance, is much much easier through the GUI, as all the options are right there and listed. Unless you have all of them memorized.... :-)
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