--- Bruce Marshall <bmarsh@bmarsh.com> wrote:

> Your response came across as "I don't want to do the work myself,
> spoon feed
> it to me." The answer to your question about the options to mount
> were right
> there in the man page.... at least you could have looked.

In my experience, when presenting these questions, tell where you
looked and what you did to attempt to solve the problem. If you read
the man page, and you should, tell where the confusion lies. I even
posted on fvwm board and got nice replies from Thomas Adam using this
approach.

Some man pages are tough for us who English is the first and only
language.

I think the response was justified from the tone of the statement you
made giving the impression you didn't want to even put forth the
effort. Some of us know you and some of us don't.

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On Sun, 2007-12-09 at 12:37 -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote:
> On Sunday 09 December 2007, Sylviane et Perry White wrote:
> > How much effort would you credit someone who tried to accomplish something
> > that seems easy to you?

Do you think you two could go get a room? 'Preciate it. Mean it. Mmkay?

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D. Michael McIntyre wrote:

> On Friday 07 December 2007, Billie Walsh wrote:
>
>> simple to mount them manually but I would rather not have to. below is
>
>> IF I edit to make these parameters the same will I screw something up?
>
> Get rid of "noauto." It's preventing them from being mounted at boot
> time. (That's what it means.)

Except that it's kind-of-required with the "users" parameter. If it's
auto-mounted, then it's going to be owned by root. That should be fine for
the Susie partition, but not for the XP one. If he wants to automount
sda1, he probably needs to assign it his own ID (or my preferred method was
to create a group "win", and add users to that group, and then set the
umask in the mount to ensure it was writable to group "win" - it being a
long time since I've needed this, I can't recall the exact fstab line).
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Billie Walsh wrote:

> On 12/08/2007 Bruce Marshall wrote:

>> I guess I don't have a lot of enthusiasm to help someone who won't
>> even take a small step to help themselves.
>>
>> <
ant off>
>
> I have spent hours reading faq's, wiki pages, and searching Google
> looking for most of my answers.

Not enough. The answers are in the man page and obvious. I wholeheartedly
agree with Bruce.
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Donn wrote:

>> can you imagine the hell for no speaking english people when reading
>> "man" or howto ?
>> and mostly never found the solution ????
> It's hell for us English speakers too
>
> Documentation is a b*tch and always will be. Don't hesitate to come to
> this list and ask stupid questions--I do it all the time!

I've got no problem with people asking stupid questions. But when the
answers _are_ clearly in the man page, the poster would be far better
advised to apologize for wasting our time than to bitch about being told to
check the man pages. And I _never_ have time for anyone who'll tell me
they don't have time for the man pages. If she'd said "I couldn't
understand the man page", it would be completely different.
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Derek Broughton wrote:

> D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
>
>> On Friday 07 December 2007, Billie Walsh wrote:
>>
>>> simple to mount them manually but I would rather not have to. below is
>>
>>> IF I edit to make these parameters the same will I screw something up?
>>
>> Get rid of "noauto." It's preventing them from being mounted at boot
>> time. (That's what it means.)
>
> Except that it's kind-of-required with the "users" parameter. If it's
> auto-mounted, then it's going to be owned by root. That should be fine
> for
> the Susie partition, but not for the XP one. If he wants to automount

...she... sorry.
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On 12/10/2007 Derek Broughton wrote:
> Except that it's kind-of-required with the "users" parameter. If it's
> auto-mounted, then it's going to be owned by root. That should be
> fine for
> the Susie partition, but not for the XP one. If he wants to automount
> sda1, he probably needs to assign it his own ID (or my preferred
> method was
> to create a group "win", and add users to that group, and then set the
> umask in the mount to ensure it was writable to group "win" - it
> being a
> long time since I've needed this, I can't recall the exact fstab
> line).

Simply changing the "noauto" to "auto" works like a charm. It automounts
on boot just like I wanted and is usable by "user", both read and write.

Only problem is if you have a power failure in Windows, Kubuntu won't
mount the drive. Probably work if I reboot into Windows and shut it down
properly.

At least it worked right last night.

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On 12/10/2007 Derek Broughton wrote:
> Not enough. The answers are in the man page and obvious. I
> wholeheartedly
> agree with Bruce.
> <plonk>
> -- derek

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On 12/10/2007 Derek Broughton wrote:
> I've got no problem with people asking stupid questions. But when the
> answers _are_ clearly in the man page, the poster would be far better
> advised to apologize for wasting our time than to bitch about being
> told to
> check the man pages. And I _never_ have time for anyone who'll tell
> me
> they don't have time for the man pages. If she'd said "I couldn't
> understand the man page", it would be completely different.
> -- derek

I wasn't bitching about being told to check the man pages. I was
bitching about how I was replied to after I made a polite reply to being
told to check the man page.

Read the whole thread.

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I found this fstab Wikipedia page interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fstab

On it I found:

> == Reloading fstab ==
>
> mount -a
>
> This command will reload fstab without a restart of the system.

Thanks for mentioning "man mount". It is not always clear which man
page one should study. Tips always welcome. I always appreciate a tip
to an informative and appropriate man page. Man pages can be confusing
but are a good starting point. Wikipedia is also interesting.

Good luck,

Roger

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