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Old 07-05-2008, 04:55 AM
Nigel Ridley
Default Fried spot was Smaller model laptops in combination with Kubuntu - request for advise?

Willy K. Hamra wrote:
> Nigel Ridley wrote:
>> Jim wrote:
>>> O. Sinclair wrote:
>>>> Bas Roufs wrote:
>>>>> Dear everybody
>>>>> A few weeks ago, a laptop from me has been stolen again. That's why I am
>>>>> looking for a lighter/ smaller laptop model that is more easy to always
>>>>> carry with me, but which can be combined with Kubuntu.
>>>>> At present, I am considering "ASUS Eeee PC", version 901 or version
>>>>> 1000. Both new versions seem to become available in September. Main
>>>>> technical specifications:
>>>>> 1,6 Ghz processor (both models), 1 GB RAM (version 901) or 2 GB RAM
>>>>> (version 1000), 20 GB 'solid state disk' (version 901) or 40 GB
>>>>> (version 1000).
>>>>> More technical details:
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC
>>>>> Both models are being sold along with the Linux distribution 'Xandros'
>>>>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xandros)
>>>>> Does anybody have any experience at all with some version of 'ASUS Eeee
>>>>> PC'? If you, did you already install Kubuntu on it? If so, how?
>>>>> Are there any other smaller model laptops you could advise me in
>>>>> combination with Kubuntu?
>>>> This is as yet not released but apparently Dell will release a
>>>> minilaptop "real soon now":
>>>> http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9915094-1.html?tag=blog.1
>>>> and since Dell generally does a good job of supporting Ubuntu that could
>>>> be an interesting way to go.
>>>> Sinclair
>>> I have a eeePC 702 8gb 1gb and Fedora 9 installed on it , Fedora had all
>>> drivers for hardware, with the exception of
>>> the Atheos wierless chipset ,I downloaded
>>> madwifii-nr-r3366+ar5007.tar.gz and compiled and it work great including
>>> WEP. The wireless chipset is a ar5007eg . livna.org has a madwifi driver
>>> also.
>>> The eeePC is much faster with the SSD, than the MSI or Everex that has
>>> a standard harddrive. Everex Cloud is dog slow.
>>> I would recommend the eeePC 901 or 1000 because of the 20gb SSD, that
>>> would give you plenty of space to install any Linux distro.
>>> I bought a ext. CD/DVD rom to install other OS and put in a 2gb memory
>>> for $41.00, speeded up noticeably .
>> How many writes can the 'hard disk' take, considering that it's flash memory? Linux does write a
>> lot to 'hard disk'.
>> Blessings,
>> Nigel
> I've heard that journalled file systems in particular write a lot to one
> place on the disk, the journal, which fries up that area, so avoid
> journalled file systems if you can.

Strange you should say that.....
I have 5 young children (8 - 15) and [had] oldish computers for them. After a few years of use I
noticed that one in particular would start to make problems and even on a reboot would need to be
coaxed into booting properly (sometimes needing a 'rescue mode' to start with).
Anyway, I then noticed that the others started dying and did the 'change_hard_drive' routine from
a collection that I had from previous [Linux] computers. I have always use Reiserfs (a journaling
file system) and trying to install Hardy Heron was impossible - it would always get to about the
same point in the install (installing packages) and cause a nice 'red' screen and that was that.
I even tried installing other distros but all with the same result.
I tried several of the hard disks that I had lying around, but all showed the same problem. In
the end, just so that my daughter could get some work done, I installed Puppy Linux (really small
footprint - and it didn't reach the 'burnt_out' area of the hard drive).

So, getting back to your statement about journaling file systems frying a specific area (because
of the many writes) I am sure that you are correct.

What is the answer? Journaling file systems are great in what they do, in that they recover your
data in case of a crash or sudden power outage, but frying the hard drive is a serious problem.




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