Hello everyone,
I'd like to take this*opportunity*to tell everyone about the new section on the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter. It's a section devoted to the development of the official derivatives of Ubuntu. For this we'd like to*receive*every week that you have a meeting, a link to the summary of the meeting. This is all to more*acknowledgement*of the hard work everyone in the derivatives branches are doing.

If there are any questions, please ask them here or on #ubuntu-news. akgraner and me (MrChrisDruif) should be around to answer your questions.
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Hello everyone,
I'd like to take this*opportunity*to tell everyone about the new section on the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter. It's a section devoted to the development of the official derivatives of Ubuntu. For this we'd like to*receive*every week that you have a meeting, a link to the summary of the meeting. This is all to more*acknowledgement*of the hard work everyone in the derivatives branches are doing.

If there are any questions, please ask them here or on #ubuntu-news. akgraner and me (MrChrisDruif) should be around to answer your questions.
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Hello everyone,
I'd like to take this*opportunity*to tell everyone about the new section on the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter. It's a section devoted to the development of the official derivatives of Ubuntu. For this we'd like to*receive*every week that you have a meeting, a link to the summary of the meeting. This is all to more*acknowledgement*of the hard work everyone in the derivatives branches are doing.

If there are any questions, please ask them here or on #ubuntu-news. akgraner and me (MrChrisDruif) should be around to answer your questions.
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None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). These are other
distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. I think it's
much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and
Ubuntu Server.

I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word
is derivative correct.

Scott K

On 12/05/2011 09:35 PM, Chris wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'd like to take this opportunity to tell everyone about the new section on
> the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter. It's a section devoted to the development of
> the official derivatives of Ubuntu. For this we'd like to receive every
> week that you have a meeting, a link to the summary of the meeting. This is
> all to more acknowledgement of the hard work everyone in the derivatives
> branches are doing.
> If there are any questions, please ask them here or on #ubuntu-news.
> akgraner and me (MrChrisDruif) should be around to answer your questions.
>
> With metta, Chris
>
>
>
>


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None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). These are other
distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. I think it's
much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and
Ubuntu Server.

I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word
is derivative correct.

Scott K

On 12/05/2011 09:35 PM, Chris wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'd like to take this opportunity to tell everyone about the new section on
> the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter. It's a section devoted to the development of
> the official derivatives of Ubuntu. For this we'd like to receive every
> week that you have a meeting, a link to the summary of the meeting. This is
> all to more acknowledgement of the hard work everyone in the derivatives
> branches are doing.
> If there are any questions, please ask them here or on #ubuntu-news.
> akgraner and me (MrChrisDruif) should be around to answer your questions.
>
> With metta, Chris
>
>
>
>


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On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote:
> None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). *These are other
> distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. *I think it's
> much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and
> Ubuntu Server.
>
> I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word
> is derivative correct.

Scott why bring this up to the UWN folks who are trying their hardest
to bring the news to folks, why not bring it up to the release manager or others
to change this. Chris, who is new to the news team, wanted to add a
section to cover these distributions, and establish a relationship as
well as let you all know what we (the news were doing).
Responses like this, to someone who doesn't make those decisions don't
help with encouragement, inclusion and good will. It's like you
are beating up the messenger.

We on the news team are trying our best to bring coverage about as
many of the flavors, derivatives, siblings or whatever you want to
call them. We were asking for your help and instead you complain
about the word. Seriously?

Cheers,
Amber
>
> Scott K
>
> On 12/05/2011 09:35 PM, Chris wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I'd like to take this opportunity to tell everyone about the new section on
>> the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter. It's a section devoted to the development of
>> the official derivatives of Ubuntu. For this we'd like to receive every
>> week that you have a meeting, a link to the summary of the meeting. This is
>> all to more acknowledgement of the hard work everyone in the derivatives
>> branches are doing.
>> If there are any questions, please ask them here or on #ubuntu-news.
>> akgraner and me (MrChrisDruif) should be around to answer your questions.
>>
>> With metta, Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>



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Just me Amber.

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only want to use it. That is a tribute to how good Linux is.
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On 12/06/2011 12:28 AM, Amber Graner wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote:
>> None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). These are other
>> distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. I think it's
>> much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and
>> Ubuntu Server.
>>
>> I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word
>> is derivative correct.
>
> Scott why bring this up to the UWN folks who are trying their hardest
> to bring the news to folks, why not bring it up to the release manager or others
> to change this. Chris, who is new to the news team, wanted to add a
> section to cover these distributions, and establish a relationship as
> well as let you all know what we (the news were doing).
> Responses like this, to someone who doesn't make those decisions don't
> help with encouragement, inclusion and good will. It's like you
> are beating up the messenger.
>
> We on the news team are trying our best to bring coverage about as
> many of the flavors, derivatives, siblings or whatever you want to
> call them. We were asking for your help and instead you complain
> about the word. Seriously?

Because I find the term offensive.

I bring it up whenever I see it used. I even said that I recognized he
was only using a term others use.

Why should I not bring it up?

It's not meant as an attack on anyone, but to express an opinion. If
you're going to add a section as a part of showing appreciation, but
name it something that bothers someone, isn't that useful to know?

Scott K


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On 12/06/2011 12:28 AM, Amber Graner wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote:
>> None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). These are other
>> distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. I think it's
>> much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and
>> Ubuntu Server.
>>
>> I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word
>> is derivative correct.
>
> Scott why bring this up to the UWN folks who are trying their hardest
> to bring the news to folks, why not bring it up to the release manager or others
> to change this. Chris, who is new to the news team, wanted to add a
> section to cover these distributions, and establish a relationship as
> well as let you all know what we (the news were doing).
> Responses like this, to someone who doesn't make those decisions don't
> help with encouragement, inclusion and good will. It's like you
> are beating up the messenger.
>
> We on the news team are trying our best to bring coverage about as
> many of the flavors, derivatives, siblings or whatever you want to
> call them. We were asking for your help and instead you complain
> about the word. Seriously?

Because I find the term offensive.

I bring it up whenever I see it used. I even said that I recognized he
was only using a term others use.

Why should I not bring it up?

It's not meant as an attack on anyone, but to express an opinion. If
you're going to add a section as a part of showing appreciation, but
name it something that bothers someone, isn't that useful to know?

Scott K


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On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote:
> On 12/06/2011 12:28 AM, Amber Graner wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote:
>>> None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). *These are other
>>> distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. *I think it's
>>> much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and
>>> Ubuntu Server.
>>>
>>> I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word
>>> is derivative correct.
>>
>> Scott why bring this up to the UWN folks who are trying their hardest
>> to bring the news to folks, why not bring it up to the release manager or others
>> to change this. *Chris, who is new to the news team, wanted to add a
>> section to cover these distributions, and establish a relationship as
>> well as let you all know what we (the news were doing).
>> Responses like this, to someone who doesn't make those decisions don't
>> help with encouragement, inclusion and good will. *It's like you
>> are beating up the messenger.
>>
>> We on the news team are trying our best to bring coverage about as
>> many of the flavors, derivatives, siblings or whatever you want to
>> call them. *We were asking for your help and instead you complain
>> about the word. *Seriously?
>
> Because I find the term offensive.
>
> I bring it up whenever I see it used. *I even said that I recognized he
> was only using a term others use.
>
> Why should I not bring it up?


You're right you have the right to your opinion; however, its the tone
of your email (just like this one) that comes across has hostile and
confrontational. I apologize if misunderstood.
>
> It's not meant as an attack on anyone, but to express an opinion. *If
> you're going to add a section as a part of showing appreciation, but
> name it something that bothers someone, isn't that useful to know?

Yes, but we don't make the names up, as you know. So there is no
sense hashing that out here. :-) However, because you brought it up
I will forward your issues onto Kate Stewart.
Thanks for bringing to our attention.

Cheers,
Amber
>
> Scott K
>



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On Dec 5, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote:

> On 12/06/2011 12:28 AM, Amber Graner wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@kitterman.com> wrote:
>>> None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). These are other
>>> distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. I think it's
>>> much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and
>>> Ubuntu Server.
>>>
>>> I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word
>>> is derivative correct.
>>
>> Scott why bring this up to the UWN folks who are trying their hardest
>> to bring the news to folks, why not bring it up to the release manager or others
>> to change this. Chris, who is new to the news team, wanted to add a
>> section to cover these distributions, and establish a relationship as
>> well as let you all know what we (the news were doing).
>> Responses like this, to someone who doesn't make those decisions don't
>> help with encouragement, inclusion and good will. It's like you
>> are beating up the messenger.
>>
>> We on the news team are trying our best to bring coverage about as
>> many of the flavors, derivatives, siblings or whatever you want to
>> call them. We were asking for your help and instead you complain
>> about the word. Seriously?
>
> Because I find the term offensive.
>
> I bring it up whenever I see it used. I even said that I recognized he
> was only using a term others use.
>
> Why should I not bring it up?
>
> It's not meant as an attack on anyone, but to express an opinion. If
> you're going to add a section as a part of showing appreciation, but
> name it something that bothers someone, isn't that useful to know?
>
> Scott K

This is an insult, tbh [0]. But since when does Canonical care about any other flavor?

[0] http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives
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