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Old 10-13-2011, 06:01 PM
KP Kirchdoerfer
 
Default about kmail2 and UDS considerations

Hi all;

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Sorry for stepping in - I subscribed to this list only for this mail and to express my disappointment about the current status of Kubuntu and kmail.

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I previously tried to express my concerns on the feedback page after beta1, but with no effect (other(s) did for later version in the cycle). There also have been a lot of bug reports (kubuntu and upstream) - to no avail. None seems to really care... at last it has been released now AS-IS.

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It started with kde 4.0, where kmails gpg integration stopped to work as seamless as it did with kde 3.x.

This has been reported more than once on kde's bugtracker, debian, fora...

According to the latest entry in debians bugtracker, it seems to be finally solved with kmail 1.13.7 - a version never released in kubuntu.

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The move to kmail2 has been made, despite to all warnings, bug reports elsewhere and is now called a "disaster" by the one who moved it to kubuntu 11.10. And the day it's released officially, the one who is responsible installed a downstreamed version on his own machine - kubuntu users left "in the dark" - with a version that does not fix previous pb's but even raise new issues - probably serious ones like loosing mails (see kde-pim list), a migration that simply does not work.

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This is indeed a disaster and lack of responsibilty.

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I understand Scott expressing that upstream is expected to work.

Releasing sensible software like mail applications into the wild without a smooth way of migration, and by knowing about serious bugs is a no-go. And it's not only kubuntus fault - I had a short look into fedora and opensuse today, cause it was claimed that they work - which seems not to be true reading comments etc.. Kmail2 still seems not to be ready for daily work.

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This can't be justified by an "understaffed team", if so, just don't do it and users have to wait another year.

Making the step due to lack of beta testers and to force downstream developers (who fall into the trap) AND users to swallow it, while knowing about and/or neglecting serious problems and bug reports, and release alpha software will simply destroy reputation and a once nice application.

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This is indeed a disaster and lack of responsibilty.

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I'll give kubuntu and kmail2 another try on a virtual machine, if that still fails - I'll join those who move away from kmail to thunderbird. Something with a bitter taste after years, but given how developers work with one of my most important application and data, but better be safe than sorry.

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I don't want to blame anyone in person, it's all done in your spare time and I respect the work , but as it happended all in all it occurred as bad service to the application, the distribution and the community.

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And before someone asks me to help and there, developing this and that - I'd say just "NO, I'm working on my own projects for more than eight years, to give the community something back, and I'm not responsible to fix your stuff, enough work to keep my own in a good shape and to show the same responsibilty for users, I demand from you".

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Thx for listening

and yes, I'm upset

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kp
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