On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 23:06:10 -0400, "Clay Weber" <email@example.com>
> > My belief is that the world would be much better if
> > 1) there was a kubuntu wiki,
> > 2) which was used for whatever any KUbuntu community member wished to
> > use if for, relative to kubuntu.
> Then it becomes just like the current wiki in the long run, in terms of
> content and cumbersomeness. It already is open to anyone.
Clay, please see my follow-up to my own post where I'd replied to Ofir:
kubuntu.org -> wiki: - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu - Too... Fix
would be great.
; jor KUDevel
where I thought my original idea forward a bit more.
"Actually, I think the proper placement is: that on
"Access Free Documentation" &
And the "KUbuntu wiki" section should link to this page:
> A kubuntu-specific wiki (or wikis even) would definitely be super nice,
My second thought was that it shouldn't be a _separate_ wiki:
There should only be one ubuntu wiki,
and all KUbuntu stuff flow from the
Things such as:
1) SW documentation, &
2) Community info
> but begs
> the following:
> Who gets the job of maintaining it, and encouraging others in the
> community to
It is a wiki, like wikipedia.
Just like code reuse, there should be
"social structure reuse",
ie, the Ubuntu/KUbuntu/... wiki community should investigate how to get
community wiki control systems from wikipedia to be implemented in the
Ubuntu wiki community.
> How do we go about setting up 1 or 2 new wikis (ie who do we need to ask
> this? Would they allow or OK it?)
As above, I think there should be only 1 wiki for the entire ubuntu
> What do we want the layout to be like?
> This all has to be considered and discussed, a blueprint and a plan put
> place in the wiki and launchpad, etc.
The beauty of wiki community is that that doesn't need to be known on
You merely enable (this might already be the case, I haven't checked)
users to do things like:
1) edit pages,
2) set up accounts if they wish, like on wikipedia, &
3) "watch" (automatically), changes to pages they have an interest in, &
4) allow ubuntu wiki community leaders to do leader (policy, moderation)
Is there no "ubuntu wiki" mailing list?
Searching on this page, it didn't find anything:
There should be, if there isn't one already.
I'd be very surprised/amused if ubuntu has been running their wiki, &
didn't have a mailing list for communication about it.
> Are you willing to lend a hand in this, other than just telling the the
> Kubuntu community (mostly volunteers) and the website developer (also
> volunteer, iirc) more or less how to do their jobs?
Sure, I'd add or edit pages as my time permitted.
Shouldn't be too much extra management duties, because it would be a
part of the ubuntu wiki, not a separate wiki.
> I am willing, but I would need some hand-holding depending on the task or
> > Ofir, I hope you don't really think that.
> > That implies a horribly low estimation for the new KUbuntu user's
> > intelligence.
> No it doesn't. wikis get cumbersome and unwieldy and hard to find what
> want. (Wasn't that one reason for help.ubuntu.com to be separate from the
> Take your original experiment, and have your group find something
> specific on
> any wiki out there - how many clicks does *that* take?
The point of a wiki is:
It is a system to enable people who want to contribute to the wiki to
make their contributions.
How "good" (ex, # of clicks to find something) it ultimately becomes,
is a function of how much interest the kubuntu community has in
contributing, & making improvements, to it.
Just like in the free sw projects.
The point being:
If anyone is dissatisfied with the quality of the wiki,
they are free to improve it, to their heart's desire.
> > Ofir, I hope you really don't think new KUbuntu users are that stupid.
> > I certainly think they are surely intelligent enough to not get confused
> > by a wiki.
> I am confused by them all the time - and not just when editing pages.
> Confusion is not the same as stupidity, at least I hope so in my case
> > After all, they are smart enough to be interested in _K_Ubuntu.
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