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Clay Weber 02-25-2010 01:49 PM

Fwd: Kubuntu 10.04 will be LTS but it is ready for that
 
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Kubuntu 10.04 will be LTS but it is ready for that
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:48:51 +0200
From: O. Sinclair <o.sinclair@gmail.com>
Reply-To: o.sinclair@gmail.com, Kubuntu user technical support
<kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
To: Kubuntu user technical support <kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>



Those who have been around long enough remember the discussion around
the last Long Term Support release. Ubuntu 8.04 is LTS whereas Kubuntu
8.04 is not, the difference being that it was deemed unsupportable to
have an LTS with KDE 3.5 as base when KDE 4 was "almost released".

Now we see the coming release of 10.04 going to be Kubuntu LTS. I assume
with KDE SC 4.4 as "base" and from what I see of those trying it out at
the moment there are some really major headaches with Akonadi, Nepomuk
and KDE-PIM.

So my query is: is it the right time to go LTS? There will have to be
some really good upgrade "scripts" for users of KDE-PIM with
distributionslists, many resources etc in order for them to make the
proper choices. As I understand it... I am just a fairly techie user.
Would it maybe be better to wait for SC 4.5 with, hopefully, more of
those issues fixed?

And will it be possible to go 8.04 to 10.04? A question since I support
some 10+ desktops still on 8.04, then I have a few on 9.10 who will NOT
want to find they lost all their Contacts, lists etc.

This is more a "any opions welcome" than "support-query" I guess but
having some 2 months left to release some answers would be good. Or
plain opinions or ideas or...

kind regards
Sinclair

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"TRINGALINVENT@libero.it" 02-25-2010 04:45 PM

Fwd: Kubuntu 10.04 will be LTS but it is ready for that
 
> Forwarded from kubuntu-users
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Kubuntu 10.04 will be LTS but it is ready for that
> Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:48:51 +0200
> From: O. Sinclair <o.sinclair@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: o.sinclair@gmail.com, Kubuntu user technical support
> <kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
> To: Kubuntu user technical support <kubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
>
>
>
> Those who have been around long enough remember the discussion around
> the last Long Term Support release. Ubuntu 8.04 is LTS whereas Kubuntu
> 8.04 is not, the difference being that it was deemed unsupportable to
> have an LTS with KDE 3.5 as base when KDE 4 was "almost released".
>
> Now we see the coming release of 10.04 going to be Kubuntu LTS. I assume
> with KDE SC 4.4 as "base" and from what I see of those trying it out at
> the moment there are some really major headaches with Akonadi, Nepomuk
> and KDE-PIM.
>
> So my query is: is it the right time to go LTS? There will have to be
> some really good upgrade "scripts" for users of KDE-PIM with
> distributionslists, many resources etc in order for them to make the
> proper choices. As I understand it... I am just a fairly techie user.
> Would it maybe be better to wait for SC 4.5 with, hopefully, more of
> those issues fixed?
>
> And will it be possible to go 8.04 to 10.04? A question since I support
> some 10+ desktops still on 8.04, then I have a few on 9.10 who will NOT
> want to find they lost all their Contacts, lists etc.
>
> This is more a "any opions welcome" than "support-query" I guess but
> having some 2 months left to release some answers would be good. Or
> plain opinions or ideas or...
>
> kind regards
> Sinclair
>

Well, seems to me that a great part of KDE works fine: Kde-Pim applications don't have many problems. Only Nepomuk is not really good: sometimes strigi (and soprano) gives problems and block the system. It's a rare case but, in effect, if we want to make 10.04 an LTS release it will be safer to disable Nepomuk and Strigi (obiously if the user wants, he can enable them).
The other parts of KDE are good, and I think there are no other problems. Kubuntu is ready for LTS.


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Richard JOHNSON 02-25-2010 05:19 PM

Fwd: Kubuntu 10.04 will be LTS but it is ready for that
 
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 06:45:37PM +0100, TRINGALINVENT@libero.it wrote:
[...]
> Well, seems to me that a great part of KDE works fine: Kde-Pim applications don't have many problems. Only Nepomuk is not really good: sometimes strigi (and soprano) gives problems and block the system. It's a rare case but, in effect, if we want to make 10.04 an LTS release it will be safer to disable Nepomuk and Strigi (obiously if the user wants, he can enable them).
> The other parts of KDE are good, and I think there are no other problems. Kubuntu is ready for LTS.

Nepomuk on its own has been fine for me, however Strigi is the first thing
I disable, as like you said, it gets in the way, however it isn't rare for
me. I have noticed that it continually indexes the same areas when they
were never touched or changed. This gets annoying when you are trying to do
something and strigi is hammering your hard drive.

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Tomasz Czapiewski 02-25-2010 06:07 PM

Fwd: Kubuntu 10.04 will be LTS but it is ready for that
 
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010, TRINGALINVENT@libero.it wrote:

>
>> Forwarded from kubuntu-users
>>
>> Those who have been around long enough remember the discussion around
>> the last Long Term Support release. Ubuntu 8.04 is LTS whereas Kubuntu
>> 8.04 is not, the difference being that it was deemed unsupportable to
>> have an LTS with KDE 3.5 as base when KDE 4 was "almost released".
>>
>> Now we see the coming release of 10.04 going to be Kubuntu LTS. I assume
>> with KDE SC 4.4 as "base" and from what I see of those trying it out at
>> the moment there are some really major headaches with Akonadi, Nepomuk
>> and KDE-PIM.
>>
>> So my query is: is it the right time to go LTS? There will have to be
>> some really good upgrade "scripts" for users of KDE-PIM with
>> distributionslists, many resources etc in order for them to make the
>> proper choices. As I understand it... I am just a fairly techie user.
>> Would it maybe be better to wait for SC 4.5 with, hopefully, more of
>> those issues fixed?
>>
>> And will it be possible to go 8.04 to 10.04? A question since I support
>> some 10+ desktops still on 8.04, then I have a few on 9.10 who will NOT
>> want to find they lost all their Contacts, lists etc.
>>
>> This is more a "any opions welcome" than "support-query" I guess but
>> having some 2 months left to release some answers would be good. Or
>> plain opinions or ideas or...
>>
>> kind regards
>> Sinclair
>>
>
> Well, seems to me that a great part of KDE works fine: Kde-Pim applications don't have many problems. Only Nepomuk is not really good: sometimes strigi (and soprano) gives problems and block the system. It's a rare case but, in effect, if we want to make 10.04 an LTS release it will be safer to disable Nepomuk and Strigi (obiously if the user wants, he can enable them).
> The other parts of KDE are good, and I think there are no other problems. Kubuntu is ready for LTS.
>

Regarding to Nepomuk, Strigi, Soprano and Akonadi problems...
I was having big problems with all of them in my Kubuntu 9.10 install
after upgrade to KDE 4.4 beta, rc and later final.
I've had to remove Nepomuk and Akonadi databases and install Virtuoso
server and backend for Soprano to make it work but now...
Since I've done it I have no problems with every of these
applications/services. Everything works just fine on Kubuntu 9.10+KDE 4.4
and I use it everyday on three machines (i386 and amd64 architectures).
One of the machines had clean Kubuntu 9.10 install and later upgrade to
KDE 4.4 final and has no problems, too (one this one machine I haven't
tested Akonadi - no need to use KDE-PIM there).

So I suppose all the problems might have it's begining in upgrade from KDE
4.3.x to 4.4 or configuration of those services.
Is there anyone who has problems with Nepomuk, Strigi and Akonadi on clean
install of Kubuntu Lucid?

Regards,
Tomek

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Tomasz Czapiewski 02-25-2010 06:11 PM

Fwd: Kubuntu 10.04 will be LTS but it is ready for that
 
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010, Richard JOHNSON wrote:

> Nepomuk on its own has been fine for me, however Strigi is the first thing
> I disable, as like you said, it gets in the way, however it isn't rare for
> me. I have noticed that it continually indexes the same areas when they
> were never touched or changed. This gets annoying when you are trying to do
> something and strigi is hammering your hard drive.
>

I've said "no problems" but... I've forgot about this one.
Yes, I see this Strigi issue on all my machines but
I don't disable it yet as it's not such annoying (maybe it could be later
as my Nepomuk database has >500MB already in few days indexing just
Documents,Music,Desktop,... folders - not whole $HOME on my most used
P4 computer at home).

Regards,
Tomek

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Mackenzie Morgan 02-25-2010 08:41 PM

Fwd: Kubuntu 10.04 will be LTS but it is ready for that
 
On Thursday 25 February 2010 9:49:25 am Clay Weber wrote:
> And will it be possible to go 8.04 to 10.04? A question since I support
> some 10+ desktops still on 8.04, then I have a few on 9.10 who will NOT
> want to find they lost all their Contacts, lists etc.

Gotta say, I expected more breakage than I got on the 4.3->4.4 upgrade for the
KDEPIM transition to Akonadi. My contacts were no longer visible in
KAddressBook *BUT* they were not actually lost. The .vcs was still there, and
I just had to add it to the Akonadi sources (in System Settings), so it's
something that I think should be relatively easy to correct.

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