Standard border theme "unusable" in Kubuntu 10.04
 

I have used Kubuntu 10.04 (Alpha 2) for a couple of hours now and I have stopped counting on how many times I have believed that one particular Window had focus. It wouldn't have been a problem if the difference between a* border with focus and without focus had been greater. The only difference you can see is the text (and the buttons) on the border fading out while unfocused, I think this is a too small difference and that the border theme should be changed.

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Standard border theme "unusable" in Kubuntu 10.04
 

2010/1/15 Tomas Gustavsson <tomplast@gmail.com>

I have used Kubuntu 10.04 (Alpha 2) for a couple of hours now and I have stopped counting on how many times I have believed that one particular Window had focus. It wouldn't have been a problem if the difference between a* border with focus and without focus had been greater. The only difference you can see is the text (and the buttons) on the border fading out while unfocused, I think this is a too small difference and that the border theme should be changed.



Anyone?

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Standard border theme "unusable" in Kubuntu 10.04
 

I think that it is the new theme in KDE 4.4 SC.
You are right, it is really annoying, so I changed it to include an horizontal line between the title and window for focused windows.

You just go to System Settings -> Appearance -> Windows -> Fine Tuning, and check "Draw Separator between title bar and active window contents"Then "Apply"...


On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Tomas Gustavsson <tomplast@gmail.com> wrote:


2010/1/15 Tomas Gustavsson <tomplast@gmail.com>



I have used Kubuntu 10.04 (Alpha 2) for a couple of hours now and I have stopped counting on how many times I have believed that one particular Window had focus. It wouldn't have been a problem if the difference between a* border with focus and without focus had been greater. The only difference you can see is the text (and the buttons) on the border fading out while unfocused, I think this is a too small difference and that the border theme should be changed.





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Yeah it makes a difference but I wonder if not the change is rather subtle, maybe it would be better if the colors in the theme is adjusted. We should probably file a bug report for this?

2010/1/18 Ofir Klinger <klinger.ofir@gmail.com>

I think that it is the new theme in KDE 4.4 SC.
You are right, it is really annoying, so I changed it to include an horizontal line between the title and window for focused windows.


You just go to System Settings -> Appearance -> Windows -> Fine Tuning, and check "Draw Separator between title bar and active window contents"Then "Apply"...



On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Tomas Gustavsson <tomplast@gmail.com> wrote:



2010/1/15 Tomas Gustavsson <tomplast@gmail.com>




I have used Kubuntu 10.04 (Alpha 2) for a couple of hours now and I have stopped counting on how many times I have believed that one particular Window had focus. It wouldn't have been a problem if the difference between a* border with focus and without focus had been greater. The only difference you can see is the text (and the buttons) on the border fading out while unfocused, I think this is a too small difference and that the border theme should be changed.






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Yes, feel a bug report. I think that it is an important usability issue.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Tomas Gustavsson <tomplast@gmail.com> wrote:


Yeah it makes a difference but I wonder if not the change is rather subtle, maybe it would be better if the colors in the theme is adjusted. We should probably file a bug report for this?



2010/1/18 Ofir Klinger <klinger.ofir@gmail.com>

I think that it is the new theme in KDE 4.4 SC.
You are right, it is really annoying, so I changed it to include an horizontal line between the title and window for focused windows.




You just go to System Settings -> Appearance -> Windows -> Fine Tuning, and check "Draw Separator between title bar and active window contents"Then "Apply"...





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2010/1/15 Tomas Gustavsson <tomplast@gmail.com>






I have used Kubuntu 10.04 (Alpha 2) for a couple of hours now and I have stopped counting on how many times I have believed that one particular Window had focus. It wouldn't have been a problem if the difference between a* border with focus and without focus had been greater. The only difference you can see is the text (and the buttons) on the border fading out while unfocused, I think this is a too small difference and that the border theme should be changed.








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On Monday 18 January 2010 09:12:19 Tomas Gustavsson wrote:
> 2010/1/15 Tomas Gustavsson <tomplast@gmail.com>
>
> > I have used Kubuntu 10.04 (Alpha 2) for a couple of hours now and I have
> > stopped counting on how many times I have believed that one particular
> > Window had focus. It wouldn't have been a problem if the difference
> > between a border with focus and without focus had been greater. The
> > only difference you can see is the text (and the buttons) on the border
> > fading out while unfocused, I think this is a too small difference and
> > that the border theme should be changed.

Do you have compositing and window shadows enabled?
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2010/1/15 Tomas Gustavsson <tomplast@gmail.com>:
> I have used Kubuntu 10.04 (Alpha 2) for a couple of hours now and I have
> stopped counting on how many times I have believed that one particular
> Window had focus. It wouldn't have been a problem if the difference between
> a* border with focus and without focus had been greater. The only difference
> you can see is the text (and the buttons) on the border fading out while
> unfocused, I think this is a too small difference and that the border theme
> should be changed.
>

You might be interested in these bugs, which are resolved:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166082
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169319

I mention them because I have a terrible feeling that the group that
does the otherwise teriffic KDE 4 design suffers from above-average
eyesight and that is killing usability. There exists a usability group
but often their suggestions are answered with "use a different theme,
the default theme is not an accessibility theme". I argue that the
default theme should definitely not be an accessibility theme,
however, that does not mean that accessibility can be completely
ignored. A minimum assessibility standard should be established for
the default theme, even if accessibility themes are available.

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Standard border theme "unusable" in Kubuntu 10.04
 

So they basically ignore usability in this matter? I have field a bug report anyways, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=223273 . Maybe we could adapt the Oxygen theme ourselfs for Kubuntu? My eyesight isn't bad but still I have problems to see if the window is active or not, and I know many people with not so good eyesight which will get problems if they use the Oxygen theme.


2010/1/18 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@gmail.com>

2010/1/15 Tomas Gustavsson <tomplast@gmail.com>:

> I have used Kubuntu 10.04 (Alpha 2) for a couple of hours now and I have

> stopped counting on how many times I have believed that one particular

> Window had focus. It wouldn't have been a problem if the difference between

> a* border with focus and without focus had been greater. The only difference

> you can see is the text (and the buttons) on the border fading out while

> unfocused, I think this is a too small difference and that the border theme

> should be changed.

>



You might be interested in these bugs, which are resolved:

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166082

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169319



I mention them because I have a terrible feeling that the group that

does the otherwise teriffic *KDE 4 design suffers from above-average

eyesight and that is killing usability. There exists a usability group

but often their suggestions are answered with "use a different theme,

the default theme is not an accessibility theme". I argue that the

default theme should definitely not be an accessibility theme,

however, that does not mean that accessibility can be completely

ignored. A minimum assessibility standard should be established for

the default theme, even if accessibility themes are available.



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Standard border theme "unusable" in Kubuntu 10.04
 

2010/1/18 Tomas Gustavsson <tomplast@gmail.com>:
> So they basically ignore usability in this matter? I have field a bug report
> anyways, https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=223273 . Maybe we could adapt
> the Oxygen theme ourselfs for Kubuntu? My eyesight isn't bad but still I
> have problems to see if the window is active or not, and I know many people
> with not so good eyesight which will get problems if they use the Oxygen
> theme.

Try the Klearlooks Widget style, I find it too be much better
accessibility-wise, and it still looks good.


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