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Old 10-30-2009, 08:02 AM
Peter Antoniac
 
Default Should we depend it also to ubuntu-dev-tools

Public bug reported:

I know that this package is only relevant to kubuntu, but there are
tools that you still need when you develop for kubuntu that are only
available in the ubuntu-dev-tools. Are they essential? IMHO YES! Why
don't this package have it linked/depend on the ubuntu-dev-tools? It is
confusing to install the kubuntu-dev-tool but not have sbuild, pull-lp-
source, hugadaylist, etc...

AP: make it depend on ubuntu-dev-tools?

** Affects: kubuntu-dev-tools
Importance: Undecided
Status: New


** Tags: packaging

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[Bug 464434] [NEW] Should we depend it also to ubuntu-dev-tools
From: Peter Antoniac <pan1nx@linux.com>
 
Old 11-09-2009, 12:44 PM
Harald Sitter
 
Default Should we depend it also to ubuntu-dev-tools

Could be recommends at the very best, but even that does not quite fit the situation...
>From Debian Policy:
> Recommends
>
> This declares a strong, but not absolute, dependency.
>
> The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations.

Since my systems have k-d-t but not u-d-t I can not get myself to
consider recommends a sensible relation. Suggests is the only one left,
and it's definition fits the case at hand quite well:

> Suggests
>
> This is used to declare that one package may be more useful with one or more others.
> Using this field tells the packaging system and the user that the listed packages are related
> to this one and can perhaps enhance its usefulness, but that installing this one without them
> is perfectly reasonable.

Then again what's the use since suggests does not install udt anyway,
which is what is requested. Thoughts?

** Changed in: kubuntu-dev-tools
Status: New => Incomplete

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Old 11-10-2009, 01:06 AM
Nathan Handler
 
Default Should we depend it also to ubuntu-dev-tools

I agree with Harald. I think that kubuntu-dev-tools should suggest
ubuntu-dev-tools. I do not think recommending or depending on ubuntu-
dev-tools would be appropriate in this situation. Even though suggested
packages are not installed automatically, I still think we should
suggest ubuntu-dev-tools, as it is very likely that people who install
kubuntu-dev-tools might be interested in ubuntu-dev-tools.

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Old 11-15-2009, 04:43 PM
Peter Antoniac
 
Default Should we depend it also to ubuntu-dev-tools

Ok, then suggest should be. For me it was just a surprise that I was
missing the mk-sbuild-lv and other tools that I thought that are not
relevant to gnome or kde. In that respect, shouldn't we have them
separated into ubuntu-dev-tools-core, ubuntu-dev-tools, kubuntu-dev-
tools?

** Changed in: kubuntu-dev-tools
Status: Incomplete => New

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Old 11-15-2009, 05:11 PM
Scott Kitterman
 
Default Should we depend it also to ubuntu-dev-tools

Not really. The Ubuntu in ubuntu-dev-tools is Ubuntu the project, not
Ubuntu the desktop.

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Old 11-18-2009, 08:54 AM
Peter Antoniac
 
Default Should we depend it also to ubuntu-dev-tools

Then, based on #4, what is it to be done?
1. Make kubuntu-dev-tools depend, as if you are developer in kubuntu you need the ubuntu-dev-tools also
2. Make kubuntu-dev-tools suggest, so you will get a warning (but I find it weaker than 1, considering that u-d-t is not desktop related)

My vote goes for 1 without blinking.

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Old 11-19-2009, 01:06 PM
Scott Kitterman
 
Default Should we depend it also to ubuntu-dev-tools

There is nothing in ubuntu-dev-tools that is required to use, it is for
convenience, so depends is excessive. I think suggests is quite
reasonable. There are (as previously mentioned) people who don't use
u-d-t, so it would be perhaps a bit unfriendly to drag it in automatically
(devscripts does not recommend u-d-t in Ubuntu, it did briefly, but there
were too many complaints and I think this is similar).

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Old 11-19-2009, 05:57 PM
Peter Antoniac
 
Default Should we depend it also to ubuntu-dev-tools

So? Where do we go from here? We leave it as Wonfix, we make it as
sugests etc. For me the problem was that I expected kubuntu-dev-tools to
install some basic tools that actually are in ubuntu-dev-tools. Just
make a decision and let's close this one for the record...

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Old 11-19-2009, 09:52 PM
Harald Sitter
 
Default Should we depend it also to ubuntu-dev-tools

http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-dev-
tools/trunk/revision/84

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Old 11-20-2009, 08:04 AM
Peter Antoniac
 
Default Should we depend it also to ubuntu-dev-tools

As comment #8 suggests, commit 84 changelog:
* Fix batgetorig
* Suggest ubuntu-dev-tools (LP: #464434)

Problem solved. Thank you all.

** Changed in: kubuntu-dev-tools
Status: New => Fix Committed

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