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Old 03-23-2009, 04:42 PM
Yuriy Kozlov
 
Default Disabling Plasma progress notifications?

2009/3/23 Aurélien Gâteau <aurelien.gateau@canonical.com>:
> Hi,
>
> I believe Plasma progress notifications should be disabled for Jaunty.
>
> The main problem with them is that they automatically disappear after
> some time. Lot of users associate the disappearing of the window with
> the completion of the copy. When transferring to/from a pluggable
> device, this can easily lead to data loss.
>
> Disabling these notifications is easy: Aaron explained it in this blog
> entry:
>
> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/todays-tip-turning-off-fancy-schmancy.html
>
> What do you think about this?
>
> Aurélien
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Wouldn't it be almost as easy to disable the disappearing? I do think
that would be an improvement, I usually end up clicking the button to
get the notification back anyway.

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Old 03-23-2009, 06:38 PM
Scott Kitterman
 
Default Disabling Plasma progress notifications?

On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:40:07 +0100 Aurélien Gâteau <aurelien.gateau@canonical.com> wrote:
>Yuriy Kozlov wrote:
>> 2009/3/23 Aurélien Gâteau <aurelien.gateau@canonical.com>:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I believe Plasma progress notifications should be disabled for Jaunty.
>>>
>>> The main problem with them is that they automatically disappear after
>>> some time. Lot of users associate the disappearing of the window with
>>> the completion of the copy. When transferring to/from a pluggable
>>> device, this can easily lead to data loss.
>>>
>>> Disabling these notifications is easy: Aaron explained it in this blog
>>> entry:
>>>
>>> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/todays-tip-turning-off-fancy-schmancy.html
>
>
>>
>> Wouldn't it be almost as easy to disable the disappearing? I do think
>> that would be an improvement, I usually end up clicking the button to
>> get the notification back anyway.
>
>Disabling the disappearing requires a patch, which may not be that
>difficult, but still more intrusive than using a configuration option.
>
I think there is a KNotification bug that's at the root of the dissapearance. If that could be fixed and would help other situations too, then I think it ought to be considered.

Personally, I didn't find the current situation confusing.

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Old 03-23-2009, 08:36 PM
Aurélien Gâteau
 
Default Disabling Plasma progress notifications?

Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:40:07 +0100 Aurélien Gâteau <aurelien.gateau@canonical.com> wrote:
>> Yuriy Kozlov wrote:
>>> 2009/3/23 Aurélien Gâteau <aurelien.gateau@canonical.com>:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I believe Plasma progress notifications should be disabled for Jaunty.
>>>>
>>>> The main problem with them is that they automatically disappear after
>>>> some time. Lot of users associate the disappearing of the window with
>>>> the completion of the copy. When transferring to/from a pluggable
>>>> device, this can easily lead to data loss.
>>>>
>>>> Disabling these notifications is easy: Aaron explained it in this blog
>>>> entry:
>>>>
>>>> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/todays-tip-turning-off-fancy-schmancy.html
>>
>>> Wouldn't it be almost as easy to disable the disappearing? I do think
>>> that would be an improvement, I usually end up clicking the button to
>>> get the notification back anyway.
>> Disabling the disappearing requires a patch, which may not be that
>> difficult, but still more intrusive than using a configuration option.
>>
> I think there is a KNotification bug that's at the root of the dissapearance.

I am not sure it's a bug, from what I understand it is a deliberate choice.

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Old 03-23-2009, 08:46 PM
Scott Kitterman
 
Default Disabling Plasma progress notifications?

On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:36:47 +0100 Aurélien Gâteau <aurelien.gateau@canonical.com> wrote:
>Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:40:07 +0100 Aurélien Gâteau <aurelien.gateau@canonical.com> wrote:
>>> Yuriy Kozlov wrote:
>>>> 2009/3/23 Aurélien Gâteau <aurelien.gateau@canonical.com>:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe Plasma progress notifications should be disabled for Jaunty.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main problem with them is that they automatically disappear after
>>>>> some time. Lot of users associate the disappearing of the window with
>>>>> the completion of the copy. When transferring to/from a pluggable
>>>>> device, this can easily lead to data loss.
>>>>>
>>>>> Disabling these notifications is easy: Aaron explained it in this blog
>>>>> entry:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/todays-tip-turning-off-fancy-schmancy.html
>>>
>>>> Wouldn't it be almost as easy to disable the disappearing? I do think
>>>> that would be an improvement, I usually end up clicking the button to
>>>> get the notification back anyway.
>>> Disabling the disappearing requires a patch, which may not be that
>>> difficult, but still more intrusive than using a configuration option.
>>>
>> I think there is a KNotification bug that's at the root of the dissapearance.
>
>I am not sure it's a bug, from what I understand it is a deliberate choice.
>
OK.

The reason I didn't find it confusing is that after the notification goes there is an "i" item on the taskbar that if you click on it reopens the notification. This seemed clear to me the first time I encountered it.

If this is a deliberate upstream design, then I think we ought to stick with it.

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Old 03-24-2009, 10:31 AM
Jonathan
 
Default Disabling Plasma progress notifications?

On Tuesday 24 March 2009 5:15:06 am Aurélien Gâteau wrote:
> Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:36:47 +0100 Aurélien Gâteau
<aurelien.gateau@canonical.com> wrote:
> >> Scott Kitterman wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:40:07 +0100 Aurélien Gâteau
<aurelien.gateau@canonical.com> wrote:
> >>>> Yuriy Kozlov wrote:
> >>>>> 2009/3/23 Aurélien Gâteau <aurelien.gateau@canonical.com>:
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I believe Plasma progress notifications should be disabled for
> >>>>>> Jaunty.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The main problem with them is that they automatically disappear
> >>>>>> after some time. Lot of users associate the disappearing of the
> >>>>>> window with the completion of the copy. When transferring to/from a
> >>>>>> pluggable device, this can easily lead to data loss.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Disabling these notifications is easy: Aaron explained it in this
> >>>>>> blog entry:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/todays-tip-turning-off-fancy-schm
> >>>>>>ancy.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wouldn't it be almost as easy to disable the disappearing? I do
> >>>>> think that would be an improvement, I usually end up clicking the
> >>>>> button to get the notification back anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>> Disabling the disappearing requires a patch, which may not be that
> >>>> difficult, but still more intrusive than using a configuration option.
> >>>
> >>> I think there is a KNotification bug that's at the root of the
> >>> dissapearance.
> >>
> >> I am not sure it's a bug, from what I understand it is a deliberate
> >> choice.
> >
> > OK.
> >
> >
> > The reason I didn't find it confusing is that after the notification goes
> > there is an "i" item on the taskbar that if you click on it reopens the
> > notification. This seemed clear to me the first time I encountered it.
>
> I guess not everyone eyes are as sharp as yours .
> Still these notifications have other problems:
> - It's impossible to move a window in front of them
> - You can't monitor the progress if you hide them, while progress of
> classic windows can be tracked because the percentage appears in their
> taskbar entry
>
> > If this is a deliberate upstream design, then I think we ought to stick
> > with it.
>
> We would not go against upstream, since upstream provides us with
> configuration options to change this behavior.
I think that this: http://www.mail-archive.com/plasma-
devel@kde.org/msg03878.html could be taken as upstream wishing notifications to
be left on for KDE 4.2. I don't think we should disable them either.

Jonathan


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Old 03-24-2009, 11:06 AM
Scott Kitterman
 
Default Disabling Plasma progress notifications?

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:00:09 +0100 Aurélien Gâteau <aurelien.gateau@canonical.com> wrote:
>Jonathan wrote:
>> I think that this: http://www.mail-archive.com/plasma-
>> devel@kde.org/msg03878.html could be taken as upstream wishing notifications to
>> be left on for KDE 4.2. I don't think we should disable them either.
>
>Aaron message mentions a configuration dialog which we do not have right
>now so it's quite more difficult for users to disable these
>notifications in Jaunty.
>
>Anyway, I believe that if we keep the notifications, we should at least
>disable the auto-hide behavior. I can understand Aaron wish to let
>things mature and get more user feedback, but not at the cost of
>exposing users to potential data-loss because the user interface make
>them believe transfers are finished when they are not.
>
>I can probably provide a patch if we agree to disable auto-hide behavior.
>

I'd be OK with that.

Scott K

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Old 03-24-2009, 11:10 AM
Jonathan
 
Default Disabling Plasma progress notifications?

On Tuesday 24 March 2009 8:00:09 am Aurélien Gâteau wrote:
> Jonathan wrote:
> > I think that this: http://www.mail-archive.com/plasma-
> > devel@kde.org/msg03878.html could be taken as upstream wishing
> > notifications to be left on for KDE 4.2. I don't think we should disable
> > them either.
>
> Aaron message mentions a configuration dialog which we do not have right
> now so it's quite more difficult for users to disable these
> notifications in Jaunty.
>
> Anyway, I believe that if we keep the notifications, we should at least
> disable the auto-hide behavior. I can understand Aaron wish to let
> things mature and get more user feedback, but not at the cost of
> exposing users to potential data-loss because the user interface make
> them believe transfers are finished when they are not.
>
> I can probably provide a patch if we agree to disable auto-hide behavior.
>
> Aurélien

Yeah, I'd be okay with that too.

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Old 03-24-2009, 11:33 AM
Jussi Kekkonen
 
Default Disabling Plasma progress notifications?

agreed, though I wonder if it possible to get that (I) systray icon to
show progress percentage and/or status(es) otherwise

2009/3/23, Aurélien Gâteau <aurelien.gateau@canonical.com>:
> Hi,
>
> I believe Plasma progress notifications should be disabled for Jaunty.
>
> The main problem with them is that they automatically disappear after
> some time. Lot of users associate the disappearing of the window with
> the completion of the copy. When transferring to/from a pluggable
> device, this can easily lead to data loss.
>
> Disabling these notifications is easy: Aaron explained it in this blog
> entry:
>
> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/01/todays-tip-turning-off-fancy-schmancy.html
>
> What do you think about this?
>
> Aurélien
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