On Wednesday 23 April 2008, James wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I just found this page:
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/kolab/
>
> Groupware is the general category. My questions are:
>
> Has anyone installed this and if so how do you like it?

It sucks. It sucks so much I dare not describe how and why for fear of
falling afoul of libel laws.

Impi tried to use it. Impi is a South African Ubuntu derivative owned by
Canonical intended to be sold to governments and large corporates.
Kolab is infested with super-secret proprietary stuff that is anything
but free software, all due to the way the German government structured
the Kolab tender process. Apparently it only really works with KMail.

If you are really interested in Kolab, I would advise you to do a proof
of concept trial run for real and make up your own mind.

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Hi James,

James <wireless@tampabay.rr.com> writes:

> Hello,
>
>
> I just found this page:
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/kolab/
>
> Groupware is the general category. My questions are:
>
> Has anyone installed this and if so how do you like it?

As I'm the maintainer of the project: I installed it and I liked
it. But I lack an objective view

>
>
> Would one run a traditionally sendmail/postfix server and
> then serve mail/data to the this Kolab groupware server?
> Being able to serve mail/data to a variety of client PC
> would be great.

You can also use such a relay setup but Kolab is a full mail server
for itself. It actually comes with postfix.

>
>
> I'm not too familiar with groupware, but I've been asked to
> build a website/system for lots of coaches, kids and others to
> use related to a particular sport. Maybe Kolab would be a good
> communications/email system for them?

Yes, Kolab might be quite good in that area. Especially if stuff like
resource booking and event planning is involved.

What might not be too good is to base this on Gentoo. The
Kolab2/Gentoo project is still rather experimental. If you need to
serve customers you are still better of with the far more stable
Kolab2/OpenPKG (http://www.kolab.org).

Cheers,

Gunnar

>
>
> Comments and ideas are welcome.
>
>
> James
>
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Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon <at> gmail.com> writes:


> > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/kolab/

> It sucks.


OK, I think I going to wait on what Uwe suggested with KDE...


thanks,


James



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Hi Alan,

Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> writes:

> On Wednesday 23 April 2008, James wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> I just found this page:
>>
>> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/kolab/
>>
>> Groupware is the general category. My questions are:
>>
>> Has anyone installed this and if so how do you like it?
>
> It sucks. It sucks so much I dare not describe how and why for fear of
> falling afoul of libel laws.

Give it a try, please

>
> Impi tried to use it. Impi is a South African Ubuntu derivative owned by
> Canonical intended to be sold to governments and large corporates.
> Kolab is infested with super-secret proprietary stuff that is anything
> but free software, all due to the way the German government structured
> the Kolab tender process.

This is incorrect and I don't believe you will be able to clearly
identify any "super-secret proprietary stuff" within Kolab. But as
said above: Please give it a try.

> Apparently it only really works with KMail.

To correct this: While Kontact is the primary client, it works fine
with Outlook and Thunderbird, too. In addition have the Horde
webmailer. Kolab has a pretty good if not the best Cross-OS client
coverage in the area of groupware servers.

>
> If you are really interested in Kolab, I would advise you to do a proof
> of concept trial run for real and make up your own mind.

Thats probably always good

Cheers,

Gunnar

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Gunnar Wrobel <wrobel <at> gentoo.org> writes:


> What might not be too good is to base this on Gentoo. The
> Kolab2/Gentoo project is still rather experimental. If you need to
> serve customers you are still better of with the far more stable
> Kolab2/OpenPKG (http://www.kolab.org).



Hello Gunnar,

Thanks for all of the tips. However, Gentoo has spoiled me to the point
that I avoid most other distros because, I end up blaming my inept
system admin skills on the other distros.... (Gentoo has absolutely
spoiled me). I also have to decide if it is 'overkill' for what I need.
If I did install 'Kolab/OpenPKG' is there robust support when you have trouble?
Does one chroot an install of Kolab or does it require a complete stand
alone system?


Any chance in the future that Kolab will be a stable package (or at least
close)? I'm not really look for another keyboard adventure (got a few too
many of those going on right now).

I'm going to pop over to the Kolab site and google some more before making
a final decision.


James






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Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2008 schrieb Gunnar Wrobel:

> Give it a try, please

I would, but unfortunately this bug keeps me from installing it:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215716

Bye...

Dirk