On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 00:17:46 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

> > My attitude towards KDE and GNOME is "the pox on both their
> > houses"; I don't run desktops, I run applications.
>
> It's just that most people prefer a unified look and feel, rather than
> each application inventing the same things in a different and
> incompatible way. This is why DEs are so popular.

There's more to a DE than that. On as multitasking system, applications
are not run in isolation. A integrated system allows applications to
work together rather than just running at the same time.


--
Neil Bothwick

This tagline is baroque; please call Bach.

On 18/06/12 00:33, Michael Mol wrote:

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:

On 17/06/12 22:36, Walter Dnes wrote:


On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:52:48AM -0500, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote


In my humble opinion, you should use whatever you actually like. You
don't like GNOME? Then don't use it; and if you used it before and
don't like the new version, either get involver to get it "fixed" (for
whatever defintion of "fixed" you want), fork it (although maybe you
should first try Unity, MATE, or Cinnamon before), or go to another
desktop.



My attitude towards KDE and GNOME is "the pox on both their houses"; I
don't run desktops, I run applications.



It's just that most people prefer a unified look and feel, rather than each
application inventing the same things in a different and incompatible way.
This is why DEs are so popular.


We had a unified look and feel...but nobody liked that particular Motif.


That was a corporate Unix thing though, not desktop Linux. Good
riddance :-P

Am Sonntag, 17. Juni 2012, 17:33:58 schrieb Michael Mol:
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 17/06/12 22:36, Walter Dnes wrote:
> >> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:52:48AM -0500, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote
> >>
> >>> In my humble opinion, you should use whatever you actually like. You
> >>> don't like GNOME? Then don't use it; and if you used it before and
> >>> don't like the new version, either get involver to get it "fixed" (for
> >>> whatever defintion of "fixed" you want), fork it (although maybe you
> >>> should first try Unity, MATE, or Cinnamon before), or go to another
> >>> desktop.
> >>
> >> My attitude towards KDE and GNOME is "the pox on both their houses"; I
> >> don't run desktops, I run applications.
> >
> > It's just that most people prefer a unified look and feel, rather than
> > each
> > application inventing the same things in a different and incompatible way.
> > This is why DEs are so popular.
>
> We had a unified look and feel...but nobody liked that particular Motif.

and it wasn't even that unified. And certainly not the feel with every
application reacting differently to some keypress.


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On Jun 17, 2012 11:57 PM, "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:

> > So, while we're meta-discussing Linus' rant on Gnome3, here's an article

> > from TechRadar exploring the usability of the leading Linux desktop

> > environments.

> >

> > http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/whats-the-best-linux-desktop-environment-1045280


> >

> > Summary: Try the latest KDE. You might get pleasantly surprised.

>

> In my humble opinion, you should use whatever you actually like. You

> don't like GNOME? Then don't use it; and if you used it before and

> don't like the new version, either get involver to get it "fixed" (for

> whatever defintion of "fixed" you want), fork it (although maybe you

> should first try Unity, MATE, or Cinnamon before), or go to another

> desktop.

>

> I like GNOME 3, therefore I use it. I like systemd, therefore I use

> it. I like Emacs, therefore I use it. If someone else wants to use

> KDE, OpenRC, and Vim, it's none of my business. To each his own.

>

> There is no "best" desktop environment. There are only preferences.

>


Agree. Which is why I wrote the word "Best" between single quotes. The whole sentence itself comes from the original title of the article; the single quotes are mine.


Rgds,

Am 17.06.2012 23:33, schrieb Michael Mol:
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 17/06/12 22:36, Walter Dnes wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 11:52:48AM -0500, Canek Pel??ez Vald??s wrote
>>>
>>>> In my humble opinion, you should use whatever you actually like. You
>>>> don't like GNOME? Then don't use it; and if you used it before and
>>>> don't like the new version, either get involver to get it "fixed" (for
>>>> whatever defintion of "fixed" you want), fork it (although maybe you
>>>> should first try Unity, MATE, or Cinnamon before), or go to another
>>>> desktop.
>>>
>>>
>>> My attitude towards KDE and GNOME is "the pox on both their houses"; I
>>> don't run desktops, I run applications.
>>
>>
>> It's just that most people prefer a unified look and feel, rather than each
>> application inventing the same things in a different and incompatible way.
>> This is why DEs are so popular.
>
> We had a unified look and feel...but nobody liked that particular Motif.
>

Haha, that one made me smile

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
> So, while we're meta-discussing Linus' rant on Gnome3, here's an article
> from TechRadar exploring the usability of the leading Linux desktop
> environments.
>
> http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/whats-the-best-linux-desktop-environment-1045280
>
> Summary: Try the latest KDE. You might get pleasantly surprised.

I use KDE on my desktop (fast CPU, can afford to compile Qt+KDE
stuff). But honestly the only KDE apps I really use are Konsole,
Okular and whatever app it is that pops up when you press Alt-F2. I
don't use widgets or activities, never used Dolphin, etc. 99% of the
time my desktop is fullscreen Konsole with a bunch of tabs open
(mostly with MC running in them).

I use Xfce on my old laptop (Athlon64 3000+ CPU). Default theme with
the rat. I don't use Konsole so I can avoid compiling Qt/KDE. Use the
Xfce terminal instead.

I use LXDE when a minimalistic (but modern and user-friendly) X
environment is needed.

I've never used Gnome in daily life on my own computers and my total
experience with it is limited to Live CDs or troubleshooting other
peoples' computers.

In the olden days (to me) I liked to use Windowmaker in Slackware on
my 90MHz Pentium.

I also use awesome, but have tried KDE 3 and 4, Gnome 2 and 3, XFCE,
LXDE and some others. I found out that I want to know what are the
programs that I run, so the meta + r shortcut combines perfectly, and
make me think about what is that launcher software, that compositing
software, that pdf viewer, that file manager, etc.