On Thu, 17 May 2012 12:14:08 -0700
ny6p01@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 01:47:56PM -0400, Tanstaafl wrote:
> > On 2012-05-17 12:14 PM, Michael Scherer
> > <a6702894@unet.univie.ac.at> wrote:
> > > If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will of course
> > > comply, though with outlook express which I'm forced to use most
> > > of the time this is a bit tedious.
> >
> > Interesting... so, you have someone standing next to you most of
> > the time, pointing a gun at your head, forcing you to use one of
> > the worst mail clients that ever existed?
> >
>
> How befitting that MS's flagship email client top posts by default...
Outlook Express? Not even MS would attach the label "flagship" to
Outlook Express.
Mind you, Outlook is infernally difficult to make it inter-port or
bottom-post. Like gmail's web clientt, there's a lot of fiddling with
backspace, delete, undo and cursor keys involved.
--
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
05-17-2012, 07:29 PM
Michael Scherer
make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails
On Thu, 17 May 2012 13:47:56 -0400
Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org> wrote:
> On 2012-05-17 12:14 PM, Michael Scherer <a6702894@unet.univie.ac.at>
> wrote:
> > If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will of course
> > comply, though with outlook express which I'm forced to use most of
> > the time this is a bit tedious.
>
> Interesting... so, you have someone standing next to you most of the
> time, pointing a gun at your head, forcing you to use one of the
> worst mail clients that ever existed?
>
thunderbird under windows has problems with imap accounts and outlook
is still much worse, not to speak of gmail and the like. With "forced"
I actually meant "forced to work with windows", where I use outlook
express which may be bad but I am used to it.
regards, michael
05-17-2012, 08:13 PM
Michael Scherer
make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails
On Fri, 18 May 2012 01:06:02 +0700
Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
> On May 17, 2012 11:19 PM, "Michael Scherer"
> <a6702894@unet.univie.ac.at> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:41:32 +0700
> > Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
> >
> > > On May 15, 2012 7:50 AM, "Dale" <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:
> > > >
> > > > http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml
> > > >
> > > > I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit
> > > > tho. Someone put alum in your water or something?
> > > >
> > >
> > > I blabbed that much??
> > >
> > > Gee... I purposefully stay away from piping up in threads related
> > > to CUPS, KDE, Gnome, and other desktop-only stuff, and still end
> > > up in the top 5?? o_O
> > >
> > > Rgds,
> >
> > OK, OK. May I remind you what started this thread?
> > If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will
> > of course comply, though with outlook express which I'm
> > forced to use most of the time this is a bit tedious.
> > I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
> > on preferring top-most would start off.
> >
> > My original problem (see title) is as yet unsolved. Any one
> > out there with an idea what might be causing this?
> > I'm grateful to those 3 or 4 who tried to help, but
> > by now I'm rather desperate and in the whole of internet
> > pages there is nothing even coming near.
> >
> > bugzilla told me this wasn't a bug and go to the forums.
> > So you are really my last resort.
> >
> > regards, michael
> >
>
> Based on the information you've given, there can be only 2 possible
> cause:
>
> 1. The Makefile is somehow b0rken.
>
> Evidence : 'ls' instead of 'ld'
>
> 2. Some file creation failed, causing the next step to fail.
>
> Please post the output of 'df -i'. I once ran out of inodes during
> kernel compile, even when the filesystem (ext4) was created with IIRC
> 100'000-something inodes (and still having several gigabytes of free
> space).
>
> Nowadays, I put /usr/src and portage's tempdir on a reiserfs to
> prevent running out of inodes.
>
> 3. Something is wrong with your filesystem.
>
> Especially if /usr/src is *already* on reiserfs. In this case, boot
> using SystemRescueCD and do an offline fsck on the partition
> containing /usr/src
>
> 4. Swapfile / Swap partition problems.
>
> Even with enough RAM, sometimes gcc just wants a swap. Post the
> output of 'swapon -s' please.
>
> And there's also the possibility that somehow the swap gets b0rked.
> Try turning off swap, rebuild the swap, and turning it back on.
>
> Rgds,
1) make output:
CHK include/linux/version.h
CHK include/generated/utsrelease.h
CALL scripts/checksyscalls.sh
CHK include/generated/compile.h
LD init/mounts.o
ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1
make: *** [init] Error 2
There is an LD, the ls line is part of the error message.
contains a directive to build mounts.o, see second last line, but
it for some reason this is ignored.
Maybe there is a flaw in that command, only I can't find it.
regards, michael
05-17-2012, 08:50 PM
Hinnerk van Bruinehsen
make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails
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On 17.05.2012 22:13, Michael Scherer wrote:
>
> 1) make output:
>
> CHK include/linux/version.h CHK
> include/generated/utsrelease.h CALL scripts/checksyscalls.sh CHK
> include/generated/compile.h LD init/mounts.o ls -Al -m
> elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
> init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
> make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1 make: *** [init] Error 2
>
> There is an LD, the ls line is part of the error message.
>
>
> contains a directive to build mounts.o, see second last line, but
> it for some reason this is ignored. Maybe there is a flaw in that
> command, only I can't find it.
>
> regards, michael
>
>
Have you tried a make clean on your sourcetree?
CHK include/linux/version.h
IS for me one of the first lines I get at all. It seems strange to me
that you get a call to the linker (LD) before even a call to the
compiler (CC).
I'd suggest you try a make clean first and try to build again
afterwards (with -j1 or without a statement for jobs) to rule out race
conditions.
If that doesn't help, move your kernel sources to another directory
and reemerge the sources. Copy your .config (ideally one of a working
tree) and try again. If that doesn't help, try to get a working
default config (like from /proc/config.gz from a live distro).
WKR
Hinnerk
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 22:13:02 +0200
Michael Scherer <a6702894@unet.univie.ac.at> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2012 01:06:02 +0700
> Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
>
> > On May 17, 2012 11:19 PM, "Michael Scherer"
> > <a6702894@unet.univie.ac.at> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 16 May 2012 07:41:32 +0700
> > > Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On May 15, 2012 7:50 AM, "Dale" <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a
> > > > > bit tho. Someone put alum in your water or something?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I blabbed that much??
> > > >
> > > > Gee... I purposefully stay away from piping up in threads
> > > > related to CUPS, KDE, Gnome, and other desktop-only stuff, and
> > > > still end up in the top 5?? o_O
> > > >
> > > > Rgds,
> > >
> > > OK, OK. May I remind you what started this thread?
> > > If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will
> > > of course comply, though with outlook express which I'm
> > > forced to use most of the time this is a bit tedious.
> > > I had no idea what a flood of angry comments my post
> > > on preferring top-most would start off.
> > >
> > > My original problem (see title) is as yet unsolved. Any one
> > > out there with an idea what might be causing this?
> > > I'm grateful to those 3 or 4 who tried to help, but
> > > by now I'm rather desperate and in the whole of internet
> > > pages there is nothing even coming near.
> > >
> > > bugzilla told me this wasn't a bug and go to the forums.
> > > So you are really my last resort.
> > >
> > > regards, michael
> > >
> >
> > Based on the information you've given, there can be only 2 possible
> > cause:
> >
> > 1. The Makefile is somehow b0rken.
> >
> > Evidence : 'ls' instead of 'ld'
> >
> > 2. Some file creation failed, causing the next step to fail.
> >
> > Please post the output of 'df -i'. I once ran out of inodes during
> > kernel compile, even when the filesystem (ext4) was created with
> > IIRC 100'000-something inodes (and still having several gigabytes
> > of free space).
> >
> > Nowadays, I put /usr/src and portage's tempdir on a reiserfs to
> > prevent running out of inodes.
> >
> > 3. Something is wrong with your filesystem.
> >
> > Especially if /usr/src is *already* on reiserfs. In this case, boot
> > using SystemRescueCD and do an offline fsck on the partition
> > containing /usr/src
> >
> > 4. Swapfile / Swap partition problems.
> >
> > Even with enough RAM, sometimes gcc just wants a swap. Post the
> > output of 'swapon -s' please.
> >
> > And there's also the possibility that somehow the swap gets b0rked.
> > Try turning off swap, rebuild the swap, and turning it back on.
> >
> > Rgds,
>
> 1) make output:
>
> CHK include/linux/version.h
> CHK include/generated/utsrelease.h
> CALL scripts/checksyscalls.sh
> CHK include/generated/compile.h
> LD init/mounts.o
> ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
> init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
> make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1
> make: *** [init] Error 2
>
> There is an LD, the ls line is part of the error message.
>
> 2) df -i
>
> Filesystem Inodes IUsed IFree IUse% Mounted on
> rootfs 1313280 5652 1307628 1% /
> /dev/root 1313280 5652 1307628 1% /
> devtmpfs 385505 785 384720 1% /dev
> rc-svcdir 385724 63 385661 1% /lib64/rc/init.d
> /tmpfs 385724 1 385723 1% /dev/shm
> /dev/sda12 130560 23 130537 1% /boot
> /dev/sda15 3932656 363434 3569222 10% /usr
> /dev/sda16 6119424 275818 5843606 5% /var
>
> 3) /usr/src is ext4, and all ebuilds run without problems.
> If something is wrong with the file system, maybe an fsck would
> show it, so I'll try that.
>
> 4) swapon -s
>
> Filename Type Size
> Used Priority /dev/sda13
> partition 10482376 0 -1
>
> immediately after running make.
>
> Remaking the swap area resulted in the same line as above.
>
> But without doubt you are right that mounts.o is not built, for
> whatever reason. The build command
>
> init/.do_mounts.o.cmd:cmd_init/do_mounts.o := gcc
> -Wp,-MD,init/.do_mounts.o.d -nostdinc
> -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.3/include
> -I/usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/arch/x86/include
> -Iarch/x86/include/generated -Iinclude
> -include /usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/include/linux/kconfig.h
> -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs
> -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Werror-implicit-function-declaration
> -Wno-format-security -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -O2 -m64
> -march=k8 -mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -funit-at-a-time
> -maccumulate-outgoing-args -fstack-protector -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1
> -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1
> -DCONFIG_AS_FXSAVEQ=1 -pipe -Wno-sign-compare
> -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -mno-sse -mno-mmx -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow
> -Wframe-larger-than=2048 -fno-omit-frame-pointer
> -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -fno-inline-functions-called-once
> -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wno-pointer-sign -fno-strict-overflow
> -fconserve-stack -DCC_HAVE_ASM_GOTO -D"KBUILD_STR(s)=#s"
> -D"KBUILD_BASENAME=KBUILD_STR(do_mounts)"
> -D"KBUILD_MODNAME=KBUILD_STR(mounts)" -c -o init/do_mounts.o
> init/do_mounts.c
>
> contains a directive to build mounts.o, see second last line, but
> it for some reason this is ignored.
> Maybe there is a flaw in that command, only I can't find it.
>
> regards, michael
>
>
# dependencies on generated files need to be listed explicitly
$(obj)/version.o: include/generated/compile.h
# compile.h changes depending on hostname, generation number, etc,
# so we regenerate it always.
# mkcompile_h will make sure to only update the
# actual file if its content has changed.
Seems to be OK, but then I don't know what to make of the last part
starting with "# compile.h changes..."
Maybe something wrong here.
regards, michael
05-17-2012, 08:59 PM
Alex Schuster
make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails
Michael Scherer writes:
> 1) make output:
>
> CHK include/linux/version.h
> CHK include/generated/utsrelease.h
> CALL scripts/checksyscalls.sh
> CHK include/generated/compile.h
> LD init/mounts.o
> ls -Al -m elf_x86_64 -r -o init/mounts.o init/do_mounts.o
> init/do_mounts_initrd.o init/mounts.o: No such file or directory
> make[1]: *** [init/mounts.o] Error 1
> make: *** [init] Error 2
>
> There is an LD, the ls line is part of the error message.
But the options look really more like ld options to me. How this could
possibly happen, I don't know. Some overriding of $(LD) perhaps? Does
"env | egrep -i 'ls|ld'" show something weird? Does it also fail as a
non-root user, after you copied the stuff over to somewhere where this
user can write? Just grasping at straws here.
> But without doubt you are right that mounts.o is not built, for
> whatever reason.
Because ld should build it from init/do_mounts.o, but ls is being called
instead?
> The build command
>
> init/.do_mounts.o.cmd:cmd_init/do_mounts.o := gcc
> -Wp,-MD,init/.do_mounts.o.d -nostdinc
> -isystem /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.5.3/include
> -I/usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/arch/x86/include
> -Iarch/x86/include/generated -Iinclude
> -include /usr/src/linux-3.2.12-gentoo/include/linux/kconfig.h
> -D__KERNEL__ -Wall -Wundef -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs
> -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -Werror-implicit-function-declaration
> -Wno-format-security -fno-delete-null-pointer-checks -O2 -m64 -march=k8
> -mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -funit-at-a-time
> -maccumulate-outgoing-args -fstack-protector -DCONFIG_AS_CFI=1
> -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SIGNAL_FRAME=1 -DCONFIG_AS_CFI_SECTIONS=1
> -DCONFIG_AS_FXSAVEQ=1 -pipe -Wno-sign-compare
> -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -mno-sse -mno-mmx -mno-sse2 -mno-3dnow
> -Wframe-larger-than=2048 -fno-omit-frame-pointer
> -fno-optimize-sibling-calls -fno-inline-functions-called-once
> -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wno-pointer-sign -fno-strict-overflow
> -fconserve-stack -DCC_HAVE_ASM_GOTO -D"KBUILD_STR(s)=#s"
> -D"KBUILD_BASENAME=KBUILD_STR(do_mounts)"
> -D"KBUILD_MODNAME=KBUILD_STR(mounts)" -c -o init/do_mounts.o
> init/do_mounts.c
>
> contains a directive to build mounts.o, see second last line, but
> it for some reason this is ignored.
> Maybe there is a flaw in that command, only I can't find it.
Neither can I. Is this command executed at all? If you maybe replace the
'gcc' by 'gccXXX', does this give an error? Or put an 'echo' in
front of the gcc'.
You can try 'make -d', this will give you LOTS of debug output, but I
don't think you will see the actual commands then.
Wonko
05-17-2012, 09:10 PM
Michael Mol
make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org> wrote:
> On 2012-05-17 12:14 PM, Michael Scherer <a6702894@unet.univie.ac.at> wrote:
>>
>> If bottom-most is really that important to you, I will of course
>> comply, though with outlook express which I'm forced to use most of
>> the time this is a bit tedious.
>
>
> Interesting... so, you have someone standing next to you most of the time,
> pointing a gun at your head, forcing you to use one of the worst mail
> clients that ever existed?
That's generally called a job.
--
:wq
05-17-2012, 11:56 PM
Peter Humphrey
make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails
On Thursday 17 May 2012 20:25:01 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Outlook Express? Not even MS would attach the label "flagship" to
> Outlook Express.
A recent experience has suggested a reason for OE to work the way it
does. Using it the way it's designed to be used, the entire conversation
so far is included in every message; this will save mucho casho for
those organisations that don't want to store e-mails - they rely on
being able to scan an incoming e-mail to find out what it's all about.
Not an efficient use of bandwidth. In fact it's an abuse of network
operators to relieve user companies of their responsibilities.
--
Rgds
Peter
05-18-2012, 12:29 PM
Willie WY Wong
make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:01:00AM -0700, Penguin Lover Mark Knecht squawked:
> > Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:
> >
> > http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml
> >
> Jeez.... Am I _STILL_ showing up on this list of high posting people?
> I've honestly worked to get below number 10 and I cannot get there
> apparently... (Too many posts like this I suppose!) ;-)
>
Ah, another year, yet another new e-mail address. This certainly
helped keep me under the radar. I am quite surprised that I appeared
at all on that list, though I suppose my verbosity level has decreased
as I aged.
Cheers,
W
--
Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire
et vice versa ~~~ I. Newton
05-19-2012, 03:18 AM
Volker Armin Hemmann
make of gentoo-sources-3.2.12 fails
Am Montag, 14. Mai 2012, 19:46:39 schrieb Dale:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Mon, 14 May 2012 12:13:18 -0500
> >
> > Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> For example: Alan, Mike, Pandu, Mark, Neil and me are the top posters
> >> on this list.
> >
> > Yo Dale,
> >
> > You might want to re-calibrate your stats engine :-)
> >
> > I've been quiet for a while (getting old...)[1] and fifty bucks says
> > Michael, Canek, Pandu and a couple more have all posted more than me
> > this year
> >
> > [1] Well, that's my story and I'm sticking with it
>
> Maybe like me, you blabber more than you think:
>
> http://archives.gentoo.org/stats/gentoo-user-per-year.xml
>
> I didn't put them in any certain order but you have fallen a bit tho.
> Someone put alum in your water or something?
>
>
while I am somehow glad to be part of the Top 20 since 2005, I am even more
happy, that I am not a regular Top5 poster.