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Old 12-02-2011, 01:41 PM
LinuxIsOne
 
Default can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

Hello,

Does one have the experience for the following:

gentoo vs openSUSE

for ease of use, better navigation, applications working perfectly
without any crash(es), better up gradations, smooth working,
etc..etc...

Best Regards.
 
Old 12-02-2011, 02:00 PM
Andrew Tchernoivanov
 
Default can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

Hi!
I use gentoo on my desktop (P4, 2 Gb RAM) and openSuSe on laptop (Lenovo x200s). They both work perfectly well, especially when you precisely know what you are expecting from OS )) Regarding your questions:

About DE:*I've tried to use Enlightenment with SuSe, and worked very well (only little changes with networking).*
Applications:*I have texlive, pdftk, sipp and ns-2 working perfectly on both systems. General applications like LibreOffice,
Gimp, browser works fine too.*
The only thin is really annoying in openSuSe is /usr/lib/tracker-* which loads CPU by 90% while searching*for media files, etc.. I recommend to disable it - I haven't found anything useful by using this application.

Hope this helps you.
P.S. Sorry it there were some mistakes - English isn't my native language.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 6:41 PM, LinuxIsOne <linuxisone@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,



Does one have the experience for the following:



gentoo vs openSUSE



for ease of use, better navigation, applications working perfectly

without any crash(es), better up gradations, smooth working,

etc..etc...



Best Regards.





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Old 12-02-2011, 04:48 PM
LinuxIsOne
 
Default can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

2011/12/2 Andrew Tchernoivanov:

> Hi!

Hello.

> I use gentoo on my desktop (P4, 2 Gb RAM) and openSuSe on laptop (Lenovo
> x200s). They both work perfectly well, especially when you precisely know
> what you are expecting from OS )) Regarding your questions:

Ok well.

> About DE:
> *I've tried to use Enlightenment with SuSe, and worked very well (only
> little changes with networking).

> Applications:
> *I have texlive, pdftk, sipp and ns-2 working perfectly on both systems.
> General applications like LibreOffice,
> Gimp, browser works fine too.

> The only thin is really annoying in openSuSe is /usr/lib/tracker-* which
> loads CPU by 90% while searching
> for media files, etc.. I recommend to disable it - I haven't found anything
> useful by using this application.

Okay.

> Hope this helps you.

Yeah.

> P.S. Sorry it there were some mistakes - English isn't my native language.

Not a problem, that is also not a native language for me!

Why I asked to just know if Gentoo is better or openSUSE is better for
a novice who want to learn Linux, just coming directly from
Windows...that's why...However, I have liked the Ubuntu (since it is
easy and nice) but don't know about all Linux in general....is Gentoo
is also using the same Linux which Ubuntu is using?

Cheers.
 
Old 12-02-2011, 04:50 PM
Mick
 
Default can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

On Friday 02 Dec 2011 14:41:29 LinuxIsOne wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Does one have the experience for the following:
>
> gentoo vs openSUSE
>
> for ease of use, better navigation, applications working perfectly
> without any crash(es), better up gradations, smooth working,
> etc..etc...
>
> Best Regards.

If you want *exactly* what OpenSUSE have included in their distro then
OpenSUSE is for you. Some applications and the whole system will run slower
than Gentoo. Invariably some applications could experience crashes and what
not - any distro would from time to time have such problems and may not be
distro specific anyway, but application specific.

If you want to include additional applications or versions of applications
that OpenSUSE repos do not cater for, then you may run into dependency hell.
At best, some apps will just not install or work as intended. At worst you
could break the underlying distro if you try hard enough and have to
reinstall.

With Gentoo you have higher flexibility on what you install and portage is
definitely thousands times better than YaST, in terms of configurabilty. You
will still get the odd application that is buggy, but as a rule your system
will run lighter and faster because each binary is compiled from source with
the CFALGS and USE flags that you have specified for your system. On the other
hand it will take some time and effort to keep your Gentoo up to date.

Another difference between OpenSUSE and Gentoo is that you will not need to
reinstall Gentoo to get the latest desktop, or init system or what-ever system
wide upgrade is next. With OpenSUSE upgrades imply a reinstallation (unless
YaST got cleverer since the last time I used it). Invariably you will also
never need to reinstall Gentoo to fix any breakages - most problems you may
come across you will learn how to recover from with clever use of portage.

In conclusion:

If you prefer quick installation and easy/quick updates, but with limited
choice on what gets installed and how it is configured, and the OpenSUSE suite
of packages will meet your application needs comprehensively, then OpenSUSE is
a well polished distro that will fit the bill.

If you value higher performance and a much higher degree of configurability,
then Gentoo will be your choice; but that comes at the expense of a
protracted installation process (especially if you have not done this before)
and some admin time on a regular basis to keep your system and applications up
to date.

With Gentoo you will be *forced* to learn a lot to install your system and
keep it running. With OpenSUSE the learning curve will likely be considerably
flatter.

It would be advisable to try them both out in LiveCDs (or even install them in
VMs) to see which you feel more comfortable working with. For a Gentoo based
LiveCD you could try Sabayon: http://www.sabayon.org/ and this may also be
used for a quick (binary) installation of a Gentoo-like system.

HTH.
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Regards,
Mick
 
Old 12-02-2011, 07:02 PM
Dale
 
Default can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

LinuxIsOne wrote:
Why I asked to just know if Gentoo is better or openSUSE is better for
a novice who want to learn Linux, just coming directly from
Windows...that's why...However, I have liked the Ubuntu (since it is
easy and nice) but don't know about all Linux in general....is Gentoo
is also using the same Linux which Ubuntu is using? Cheers.


"Better" depends on what you expect. If you want to learn about Linux,
Gentoo will teach you a lot. Heck, you will learn a lot by the time you
get it installed and get to your first boot prompt. I get the
impression that you don't realize how in depth Gentoo is. Gentoo can be
installed by a Linux newcomer but it will not be a walk in the park. I
used Mandrake for 6 months or so and it took me about 3 tries to get to
a point where Gentoo would boot up. It took a while more to get
everything working still. I had to redo my kernel several times.


The point I am making is, it is not how different Gentoo is from other
distros, it's whether it is something you need and want to put the time
in to learn. Gentoo doesn't have a GUI installer and you do have to
compile everything you install. I recently installed Kubuntu for my
Brother. It is a walk in the park compared to installing Gentoo. Did I
learn anything about Linux, not hardly. I don't think Kubuntu is made
to teach a lot about Linux. It's just made to install easily and
quickly without much fuss.


I do hope you will try Gentoo tho. It is sort of addicting at times. lol

Dale

:-) :-)

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Old 12-02-2011, 11:53 PM
Pandu Poluan
 
Default can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

On Dec 3, 2011 3:06 AM, "Dale" <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> LinuxIsOne wrote:

>>

>> Why I asked to just know if Gentoo is better or openSUSE is better for a novice who want to learn Linux, just coming directly from Windows...that's why...However, I have liked the Ubuntu (since it is easy and nice) but don't know about all Linux in general....is Gentoo is also using the same Linux which Ubuntu is using? Cheers.


>

>

> "Better" depends on what you expect. *If you want to learn about Linux, Gentoo will teach you a lot. *Heck, you will learn a lot by the time you get it installed and get to your first boot prompt. *I get the impression that you don't realize how in depth Gentoo is. *Gentoo can be installed by a Linux newcomer but it will not be a walk in the park. *I used Mandrake for 6 months or so and it took me about 3 tries to get to a point where Gentoo would boot up. *It took a while more to get everything working still. *I had to redo my kernel several times.


>

> The point I am making is, it is not how different Gentoo is from other distros, it's whether it is something you need and want to put the time in to learn. *Gentoo doesn't have a GUI installer and you do have to compile everything you install. *I recently installed Kubuntu for my Brother. *It is a walk in the park compared to installing Gentoo. *Did I learn anything about Linux, not hardly. *I don't think Kubuntu is made to teach a lot about Linux. *It's just made to install easily and quickly without much fuss.


>

> I do hope you will try Gentoo tho. *It is sort of addicting at times. *lol

>


Indeed! Especially control freaks like me :-)


But seriously, I personally found Gentoo to be the most logical Linux distro. Yes, the initial barrier (installation) is daunting, so to speak, but after doing it successfully, one can immediately intuit "what's going on". Installing and configuring other packages becomes piece of* cake.



The logical way of Gentoo even extends to its packages. For instance, packages that are meant to be run as services/daemons will *certainly* have a pair of files in conf.d and init.d. Customizable environs are in env.d and profile.d. And so on.



I've used Linux exclusively as servers, and I have dabbled with Red Hat, CentOS, Ubuntu, Debian, and Arch, but Gentoo wins hands down for its logicality.


Not to mention that I can customize my servers exactly to my specifications, instead of having to put up with cruft that the distro maintainer feel as a "must have". Case in point : how many distros allow you to choose which cron daemon you want to use?



Another plus point is the almost complete devel tools provided out of the box: the gcc suite. Now if I happen across an open source project that hasn't made it yet to the portage tree, I can just download and compile it myself.



Related to that, is the great job Portage did regarding dependency hell. Since I am no longer hostage to the whims of the distro maintainer re: versions of libraries installed, if a program needs a library that's newer than the current 'stable' version, I can just keyword the needed version and compile away.



Rgds,
 
Old 12-03-2011, 12:22 AM
Frank Steinmetzger
 
Default can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 07:53:58AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:
> On Dec 3, 2011 3:06 AM, "Dale" <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > LinuxIsOne wrote:
> >>
> >> Why I asked to just know if Gentoo is better or openSUSE is better for a
> novice who want to learn Linux, just coming directly from Windows...that's
> why...However, I have liked the Ubuntu (since it is easy and nice) but
> don't know about all Linux in general....is Gentoo is also using the same
> Linux which Ubuntu is using? Cheers.

A small off-topic hint, Pandu: your mailer is breaking the quoting, because it
only sets a quote marker to the first line of a paragraph, omitting the
following lines (See my quote of your message above). Can you please look into
your settings to correct it? Thanks.
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Old 12-03-2011, 01:09 AM
Michael Mol
 
Default can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
> Another plus point is the almost complete devel tools provided out of the
> box: the gcc suite. Now if I happen across an open source project that
> hasn't made it yet to the portage tree, I can just download and compile it
> myself.

This. Very much this. My dive into Gentoo came as I was fed up with
Debian and Ubuntu having buggy and/or outdated versions of multimedia
encoding packages while trying to configure a box specced for live
transcoding of h.264 to something my PS3 would like.

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Old 12-03-2011, 01:17 AM
Pandu Poluan
 
Default can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

On Dec 3, 2011 8:25 AM, "Frank Steinmetzger" <Warp_7@gmx.de> wrote:

>

> On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 07:53:58AM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote:

> > On Dec 3, 2011 3:06 AM, "Dale" <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > LinuxIsOne wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Why I asked to just know if Gentoo is better or openSUSE is better for a

> > novice who want to learn Linux, just coming directly from Windows...that's

> > why...However, I have liked the Ubuntu (since it is easy and nice) but

> > don't know about all Linux in general....is Gentoo is also using the same

> > Linux which Ubuntu is using? Cheers.

>

> A small off-topic hint, Pandu: your mailer is breaking the quoting, because it

> only sets a quote marker to the first line of a paragraph, omitting the

> following lines (See my quote of your message above). Can you please look into

> your settings to correct it? Thanks.


*sighs*


Blame it on Google...


I'm typing on Android's Gmail client.


Rgds,
 
Old 12-03-2011, 02:54 AM
Pandu Poluan
 
Default can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse

On Dec 3, 2011 9:14 AM, "Michael Mol" <mikemol@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:

> > Another plus point is the almost complete devel tools provided out of the

> > box: the gcc suite. Now if I happen across an open source project that

> > hasn't made it yet to the portage tree, I can just download and compile it

> > myself.

>

> This. Very much this. My dive into Gentoo came as I was fed up with

> Debian and Ubuntu having buggy and/or outdated versions of multimedia

> encoding packages while trying to configure a box specced for live

> transcoding of h.264 to something my PS3 would like.

>


Ha, same with me :-)


But in my case, it's esoteric stuffs like: latest iptables, xtables-addons (and its ipset modules), fetchmail, postgreSQL, ... and an initramfs-less system :-)


Rgds,
 

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