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Old 09-21-2011, 05:15 AM
Pandu Poluan
 
Default hardened-sources reverted to 2.6.39-r8 :(

Hmm, just ran eix-sync followed by emerge -pvuD @world...

And I was unpleasantly surprised when I see
sys-kernel/hardened-sources going back from the currently installed
(and booting) 2.6.39-r13 to -r8

Changelog does not described why -r13 is pulled.

So, what should I do now? Should I recompile the kernel to 2.6.39-r8?
Or just use existing kernel? Or just forget 2.6.x completely and go
straight to 3.0.4-r2 ?

Rgds,
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Old 09-21-2011, 12:26 PM
Alan McKinnon
 
Default hardened-sources reverted to 2.6.39-r8 :(

On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:15:02 +0700
Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:

> Hmm, just ran eix-sync followed by emerge -pvuD @world...
>
> And I was unpleasantly surprised when I see
> sys-kernel/hardened-sources going back from the currently installed
> (and booting) 2.6.39-r13 to -r8
>
> Changelog does not described why -r13 is pulled.

Actually it does :-)

13 Sep 2011; Anthony G. Basile <blueness@gentoo.org>
-hardened-sources-2.6.32-r64.ebuild,
-hardened-sources-2.6.39-r12.ebuild,
-hardened-sources-2.6.39-r13.ebuild, -hardened-sources-3.0.3.ebuild:
Removed deprecated versions


Maybe -r13 just never made it to stable at all?

If it's working fine for you and you are happy with -r13, then leave it
alone. It will continue to boot until you decide to upgrade to
something else. Maybe you should list that version explicitly in world
just in case it accidentally goes away with a hasty --depclean


> So, what should I do now? Should I recompile the kernel to 2.6.39-r8?
> Or just use existing kernel? Or just forget 2.6.x completely and go
> straight to 3.0.4-r2 ?



--
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
 
Old 09-21-2011, 12:34 PM
Pandu Poluan
 
Default hardened-sources reverted to 2.6.39-r8 :(

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 19:26, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:15:02 +0700
> Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
>
>> Hmm, just ran eix-sync followed by emerge -pvuD @world...
>>
>> And I was unpleasantly surprised when I see
>> sys-kernel/hardened-sources going back from the currently installed
>> (and booting) 2.6.39-r13 to -r8
>>
>> Changelog does not described why -r13 is pulled.
>
> Actually it does :-)
>
> Â*13 Sep 2011; Anthony G. Basile <blueness@gentoo.org>
> Â*-hardened-sources-2.6.32-r64.ebuild,
> Â*-hardened-sources-2.6.39-r12.ebuild,
> Â*-hardened-sources-2.6.39-r13.ebuild, -hardened-sources-3.0.3.ebuild:
> Â*Removed deprecated versions
>
>

Yeah, it's "deprecated", but what does that mean, exactly?

> Maybe -r13 just never made it to stable at all?
>

It's never stable, yes. But somehow I'm more comfortable with -r13
than -r8 (5 revisions).

> If it's working fine for you and you are happy with -r13, then leave it
> alone. It will continue to boot until you decide to upgrade to
> something else. Maybe you should list that version explicitly in world
> just in case it accidentally goes away with a hasty --depclean
>

I see. I'll just keep the -r13 sources then.

Thanks!

Rgds,
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Old 09-21-2011, 01:48 PM
Alan McKinnon
 
Default hardened-sources reverted to 2.6.39-r8 :(

On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:34:36 +0700
Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 19:26, Alan McKinnon
> <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:15:02 +0700
> > Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
> >
> >> Hmm, just ran eix-sync followed by emerge -pvuD @world...
> >>
> >> And I was unpleasantly surprised when I see
> >> sys-kernel/hardened-sources going back from the currently installed
> >> (and booting) 2.6.39-r13 to -r8
> >>
> >> Changelog does not described why -r13 is pulled.
> >
> > Actually it does :-)
> >
> > *13 Sep 2011; Anthony G. Basile <blueness@gentoo.org>
> > *-hardened-sources-2.6.32-r64.ebuild,
> > *-hardened-sources-2.6.39-r12.ebuild,
> > *-hardened-sources-2.6.39-r13.ebuild,
> > -hardened-sources-3.0.3.ebuild: Removed deprecated versions
> >
> >
>
> Yeah, it's "deprecated", but what does that mean, exactly?

Nobody knows what deprecated means. Usually it's developer whim...

Like "synergy", nobody on the planet know what that means either

> > Maybe -r13 just never made it to stable at all?
> >
>
> It's never stable, yes. But somehow I'm more comfortable with -r13
> than -r8 (5 revisions).

I tend to agree. Higher -r numbers include more kernel bugfixes and
Linus has a very long history of being correct about fixes with not many
wrong calls.

I wish people wouldn't just remove stuff without full details. If
there's an issue with that code, there should be a bug at b.g.o. and
the Changelog should mention it.

Then folks like yourself can read it and make informed decisions.
As it stands, you have nothing but mystery. Argggg.

>
> > If it's working fine for you and you are happy with -r13, then
> > leave it alone. It will continue to boot until you decide to
> > upgrade to something else. Maybe you should list that version
> > explicitly in world just in case it accidentally goes away with a
> > hasty --depclean
> >
>
> I see. I'll just keep the -r13 sources then.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Rgds,



--
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
 
Old 09-21-2011, 02:09 PM
"Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)"
 
Default hardened-sources reverted to 2.6.39-r8 :(

El 21/09/11 15:48, Alan McKinnon escribió:
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 19:34:36 +0700
> Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 19:26, Alan McKinnon
>> <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:15:02 +0700
>>> Pandu Poluan <pandu@poluan.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmm, just ran eix-sync followed by emerge -pvuD @world...
>>>>
>>>> And I was unpleasantly surprised when I see
>>>> sys-kernel/hardened-sources going back from the currently installed
>>>> (and booting) 2.6.39-r13 to -r8
>>>>
>>>> Changelog does not described why -r13 is pulled.
>>> Actually it does :-)
>>>
>>> 13 Sep 2011; Anthony G. Basile <blueness@gentoo.org>
>>> -hardened-sources-2.6.32-r64.ebuild,
>>> -hardened-sources-2.6.39-r12.ebuild,
>>> -hardened-sources-2.6.39-r13.ebuild,
>>> -hardened-sources-3.0.3.ebuild: Removed deprecated versions
>>>
>>>
>> Yeah, it's "deprecated", but what does that mean, exactly?
> Nobody knows what deprecated means. Usually it's developer whim...
>
> Like "synergy", nobody on the planet know what that means either
>
>>> Maybe -r13 just never made it to stable at all?
>>>
>> It's never stable, yes. But somehow I'm more comfortable with -r13
>> than -r8 (5 revisions).
> I tend to agree. Higher -r numbers include more kernel bugfixes and
> Linus has a very long history of being correct about fixes with not many
> wrong calls.
>
> I wish people wouldn't just remove stuff without full details. If
> there's an issue with that code, there should be a bug at b.g.o. and
> the Changelog should mention it.
>
> Then folks like yourself can read it and make informed decisions.
> As it stands, you have nothing but mystery. Argggg.
Well deprecated version removal tends to happen because we are not going
to aim for those versions stabilization AND there is a newer version
available AND upstream tends to ignore bugs happening on older versions.

What this means for you is that we are not going to force you to upgrade
but if something fails you are in your own

PS: Next time come by #gentoo-hardened we won't bite you, I promise
 
Old 09-21-2011, 04:39 PM
Pandu Poluan
 
Default hardened-sources reverted to 2.6.39-r8 :(

On Sep 21, 2011 9:13 PM, "Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)" <klondike@gentoo.org> wrote:

>

> Well deprecated version removal tends to happen because we are not going

> to aim for those versions stabilization AND there is a newer version

> available AND upstream tends to ignore bugs happening on older versions.

>


Aha, thanks for the explanation.


I do agree with the stance to not push for stabilization if older versions will not be supported by upstream. However, since -r13 is by definition 5 revisions later than -r8, and to the best of my knowledge has no show-stopping bugs (at least, none on my systems -- touch wood!), IMHO -r13 shouldn't be removed. Just remove the intermediate revisions.



Especially since going from 2.6.x to 3.x exposed a LOT of package breakages (e.g., packages hard-coded to expect exactly /^2.6/), I'm still not comfortable enough using 3.x. Maybe later in December.


> What this means for you is that we are not going to force you to upgrade

> but if something fails you are in your own

>


Fair enough. But now I have to do additional acrobatics for new systems ;-)


> PS: Next time come by #gentoo-hardened we won't bite you, I promise

>


Proomiiiise...? (in the voice of a little girl)


:-D


Rgds,
 
Old 09-21-2011, 07:49 PM
"Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)"
 
Default hardened-sources reverted to 2.6.39-r8 :(

El 21/09/11 18:39, Pandu Poluan escribió:




On Sep 21, 2011 9:13 PM, "Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera
(klondike)" <klondike@gentoo.org>
wrote:

>

> Well deprecated version removal tends to happen because we
are not going

> to aim for those versions stabilization AND there is a
newer version

> available AND upstream tends to ignore bugs happening on
older versions.

>


Aha, thanks for the explanation.


I do agree with the stance to not push for stabilization if
older versions will not be supported by upstream. However, since
-r13 is by definition 5 revisions later than -r8, and to the
best of my knowledge has no show-stopping bugs (at least, none
on my systems -- touch wood!), IMHO -r13 shouldn't be removed.
Just remove the intermediate revisions.


There is a show stopping bug
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378731 :P



Especially since going from 2.6.x to 3.x exposed a LOT of
package breakages (e.g., packages hard-coded to expect exactly
/^2.6/), I'm still not comfortable enough using 3.x. Maybe
later in December.


> What this means for you is that we are not going to force
you to upgrade

> but if something fails you are in your own

>


Fair enough. But now I have to do additional acrobatics for new
systems ;-)


Well you can always use an overlay I think the package wasn't
removed.



> PS: Next time come by #gentoo-hardened we won't bite you,
I promise

>


Proomiiiise...? (in the voice of a little girl)


Well just don't get to near of Aleister :P
 
Old 09-22-2011, 01:01 AM
Pandu Poluan
 
Default hardened-sources reverted to 2.6.39-r8 :(

On Sep 22, 2011 2:54 AM, "Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)" <klondike@gentoo.org> wrote:

>

> El 21/09/11 18:39, Pandu Poluan escribió:

>>

>>

>> On Sep 21, 2011 9:13 PM, "Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)" <klondike@gentoo.org> wrote:

>> >

>> > Well deprecated version removal tends to happen because we are not going

>> > to aim for those versions stabilization AND there is a newer version

>> > available AND upstream tends to ignore bugs happening on older versions.

>> >

>>

>> Aha, thanks for the explanation.

>>

>> I do agree with the stance to not push for stabilization if older versions will not be supported by upstream. However, since -r13 is by definition 5 revisions later than -r8, and to the best of my knowledge has no show-stopping bugs (at least, none on my systems -- touch wood!), IMHO -r13 shouldn't be removed. Just remove the intermediate revisions.


>

> There is a show stopping bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378731 :P

>


That's why I put in the words "not on my system" ;-)


In fact, my VMs (on XenServer) happily chugs along using a gcc-4.5.3-r1-compiled kernel. With USE="graphite" and some other -f options set in CFLAGS (something related to math=fast and something about loops).



>> Especially since going from 2.6.x to 3.x exposed a LOT of package breakages (e.g., packages hard-coded to expect exactly /^2.6/), I'm still not comfortable enough using 3.x. Maybe later in December.

>>

>> > What this means for you is that we are not going to force you to upgrade

>> > but if something fails you are in your own

>> >

>>

>> Fair enough. But now I have to do additional acrobatics for new systems ;-)

>

> Well you can always use an overlay I think the package wasn't removed.

>


Luckily I have been periodically backing-up distfiles and portage-latest, so I can do a personal overlay. :-)


>> > PS: Next time come by #gentoo-hardened we won't bite you, I promise

>> >

>>

>> Proomiiiise...? (in the voice of a little girl)

>

> Well just don't get to near of Aleister :P


Can't you leash him like, you know, Animal in Muppet Show?


Rgds,
 
Old 09-22-2011, 08:07 PM
Manuel McLure
 
Default hardened-sources reverted to 2.6.39-r8 :(

On Sep 21, 2011 9:13 PM, "Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)"
<klondike@gentoo.org> wrote:
>
> Well deprecated version removal tends to happen because we are not
> going
> to aim for those versions stabilization AND there is a newer version
> available AND upstream tends to ignore bugs happening on older
> versions.

I myself am a little miffed that all gentoo-sources between 2.6.33 and
2.6.37 inclusive were removed from the tree. My MythTV box was running
2.6.35 because it was the highest kernel I could use without having to
move to lirc-0.9.0 (which I have been unable to make work correctly in
multiple attempts.) I had a complete disk failure (LVM won't even
succeed in doing "vgchange -ay") and had to rebuild the system, now
I'm stuck back at 2.6.32

I suppose it's time to again see if I can figure out the magic to get
lirc-0.9.0 to work.
--
Manuel A. McLure WW1FA <manuel@mclure.org> <http://www.mclure.org>
...for in Ulthar, according to an ancient and significant law,
no man may kill a cat.* * * * * * * * * * ** -- H.P. Lovecraft
 
Old 09-22-2011, 08:30 PM
Alan McKinnon
 
Default hardened-sources reverted to 2.6.39-r8 :(

On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:09:14 +0200
"Francisco Blas Izquierdo Riera (klondike)" <klondike@gentoo.org> wrote:

> > I wish people wouldn't just remove stuff without full details. If
> > there's an issue with that code, there should be a bug at b.g.o. and
> > the Changelog should mention it.
> >
> > Then folks like yourself can read it and make informed decisions.
> > As it stands, you have nothing but mystery. Argggg.
> Well deprecated version removal tends to happen because we are not
> going to aim for those versions stabilization AND there is a newer
> version available AND upstream tends to ignore bugs happening on
> older versions.
>
> What this means for you is that we are not going to force you to
> upgrade but if something fails you are in your own
>
> PS: Next time come by #gentoo-hardened we won't bite you, I promise

My comment wasn't really directed at -hardened specifically. I've just
had a belly-full lately of $STUFF being changed at $RANDOM times by arb
$PEOPLE, and not specifically Gentoo either.

SO I sounded off a bit and let off some steam. Sorry if it came across
as directed at your team, that wasn't the intent.

--
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckinnon@gmail.com
 

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