On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:23:49 -0700
"Karl F. Larsen" <klarsen1@gmail.com> wrote:

> Clint Tinsley wrote:
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Karl F. Larsen" <klarsen1@gmail.com>
> >> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general
> >> discussions" <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Network
> >> Manager Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:00:30 -0700
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I decided to learn how Network Manager (NM) works. I went
> >> to Google and entered "ubuntu,networkmanager" and I got the usual
> >> 10,000 hits.
> >>
> >> Starting from the first I read the next 5 web pages and the
> >> whole experience was similar to trying to get NM to work. But
> >> I did get that NM is still in Beta stage. Also most people
> >> were not able to get NM to do WiFi. The goal of the NM program
> >> is to have NM always work with a wired Internet, and
> >> automatically switch to WiFi when wired Internet is turned off.
> >>
> >> Alas the WiFi part does not work.
> >
> > More evidence as to how badly broken Ubuntu 9.10 is. I could not
> > get wireless to work in 9.10 using the default NM installation.
> > The wireless lights show that the driver is working but no
> > connectivity. As to my earlier note, after tonight, 9.10 is a page
> > in history until it the next releease, be it a .1 or .2.
> >
>
> Here is my experiance with NM and WiFi. I replaced wcid with
> NM and reboot. It came up with a panel asking me to give the
> keyring the password. This was the first time I have seen
> keyring on 9.10.
>
> Of course I do not have a password so I hit deny 10 times and
> another panel came up. This one wants the router password. I
> entered that and the WiFi started working, but it was odd. I
> do not think the email I wrote on the laptop ever got to the list.
>
> Reboot and repeat all above. The keyring is the problem. How
> do you learn the password of the STUPID keyring???
>
> 73 Karl
>
>

Karl,

I haven't moved from 9.04 to 9.10 yet, but I'm wondering what your
System > Preferences > Encryption and Keyrings settings is defaulted to? Does
9.10 have that menu setting, and can you turn the keyring off from there?

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Wendy Galovich wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:23:49 -0700
> "Karl F. Larsen" <klarsen1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Clint Tinsley wrote:
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Karl F. Larsen" <klarsen1@gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general
>>>> discussions" <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Network
>>>> Manager Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:00:30 -0700
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I decided to learn how Network Manager (NM) works. I went
>>>> to Google and entered "ubuntu,networkmanager" and I got the usual
>>>> 10,000 hits.
>>>>
>>>> Starting from the first I read the next 5 web pages and the
>>>> whole experience was similar to trying to get NM to work. But
>>>> I did get that NM is still in Beta stage. Also most people
>>>> were not able to get NM to do WiFi. The goal of the NM program
>>>> is to have NM always work with a wired Internet, and
>>>> automatically switch to WiFi when wired Internet is turned off.
>>>>
>>>> Alas the WiFi part does not work.
>>> More evidence as to how badly broken Ubuntu 9.10 is. I could not
>>> get wireless to work in 9.10 using the default NM installation.
>>> The wireless lights show that the driver is working but no
>>> connectivity. As to my earlier note, after tonight, 9.10 is a page
>>> in history until it the next releease, be it a .1 or .2.
>>>
>> Here is my experiance with NM and WiFi. I replaced wcid with
>> NM and reboot. It came up with a panel asking me to give the
>> keyring the password. This was the first time I have seen
>> keyring on 9.10.
>>
>> Of course I do not have a password so I hit deny 10 times and
>> another panel came up. This one wants the router password. I
>> entered that and the WiFi started working, but it was odd. I
>> do not think the email I wrote on the laptop ever got to the list.
>>
>> Reboot and repeat all above. The keyring is the problem. How
>> do you learn the password of the STUPID keyring???
>>
>> 73 Karl
>>
>>
>
> Karl,
>
> I haven't moved from 9.04 to 9.10 yet, but I'm wondering what your
> System > Preferences > Encryption and Keyrings settings is defaulted to? Does
> 9.10 have that menu setting, and can you turn the keyring off from there?
>

The only thing on my 9.10 is at Applications - Accessories -
Passwords and Encription Keys.

There I learned what my password is. I hit help and 2 blank
forms showed up. Now I have the password I can try to make
Network Manager work.


73 Karl


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>>> I decided to learn how Network Manager (NM) works. I went to
>>> Google and entered "ubuntu,networkmanager" and I got the usual
>>> 10,000 hits.

>>> Starting from the first I read the next 5 web pages and the
>>> whole experience was similar to trying to get NM to work. But
>>> I did get that NM is still in Beta stage. Also most people
>>> were not able to get NM to do WiFi. The goal of the NM program
>>> is to have NM always work with a wired Internet, and
>>> automatically switch to WiFi when wired Internet is turned off.

>>> Alas the WiFi part does not work.

>> I have only used Network Manager intermittently (when setting up boxes
>> for family and friends or when installing a new version of a
>> distribution) and it is the default app for managing network
>> connections for SO MANY distributions that it is hard to believe that
>> it is as bad as you and some others claim that it is. It has always
>> worked perfectly well for the people for whom I have installed and
>> configured it (I can assure you that they would be far less flattering
>> of it and me than you are of NM if it failed, even irregularly). You
>> have built up such a strong pre-conceived notion of NM's failings that
>> it will never work for you.

>> Are you claiming that NM is beta software simply because it is version
>> 0.8? If that is the case then Grub (1) was beta forever. Furthermore,
>> it is the default at my previous and current employers where we were
>> running a few thousand RHEL boxes each. I can assure you that we would
>> have had to purge Grub from every box if it were beta, in order to
>> prevent the "business-side" of the company from blaming our use of
>> beta software for this or that server failure.

>> Please refrain from making such bizarre and unsubstantiated claims in
>> a public forum.

> Where did you get your Beta for grub version 1??? I got my
> Beta for NM from Google when I asked it to show me ubuntu,NM
> and it gave me 3 pages where NM was called Beta.

> Tell you what, I dislike 9.10 so much I will, using WiFi to
> my laptop change it back to NM and then you can tell me what I
> am doing wrong!

> Here is the whole situation: I have a WiFi router from Wal
> Mart costing $40.00 then. I now have a password on it so
> others can't share in my Internet. The laptop has zero
> problems getting the WiFi with wicd installed. I have no
> problem setting up wicd.

> Expect an answer of my success in an hour to this experiment.

1) Please re-read my first reply. You seem to have misunderstood it completely.

2) The fact that you can find some internet post (and possibly an old
one; Ubuntu released a version in 2007 with a beta NM) does not make
that information correct.

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> Is there a CLI way to configure/reconfigure this system ... which may
> be more reliable than network manager??

"wvdial" is capable to do that.

--Jasper.



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