Karl F. Larsen wrote:

> I decided to learn how Network Manager (NM) works. I went to
> Google and entered "ubuntu,networkmanager" and I got the usual
> 10,000 hits.

> Starting from the first I read the next 5 web pages and the
> whole experience was similar to trying to get NM to work. But
> I did get that NM is still in Beta stage. Also most people
> were not able to get NM to do WiFi. The goal of the NM program
> is to have NM always work with a wired Internet, and
> automatically switch to WiFi when wired Internet is turned off.

> Alas the WiFi part does not work.

I have only used Network Manager intermittently (when setting up boxes
for family and friends or when installing a new version of a
distribution) and it is the default app for managing network
connections for SO MANY distributions that it is hard to believe that
it is as bad as you and some others claim that it is. It has always
worked perfectly well for the people for whom I have installed and
configured it (I can assure you that they would be far less flattering
of it and me than you are of NM if it failed, even irregularly). You
have built up such a strong pre-conceived notion of NM's failings that
it will never work for you.

Are you claiming that NM is beta software simply because it is version
0.8? If that is the case then Grub (1) was beta forever. Furthermore,
it is the default at my previous and current employers where we were
running a few thousand RHEL boxes each. I can assure you that we would
have had to purge Grub from every box if it were beta, in order to
prevent the "business-side" of the company from blaming our use of
beta software for this or that server failure.

Please refrain from making such bizarre and unsubstantiated claims in
a public forum.

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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karl F. Larsen" <klarsen1@gmail.com>
> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Network Manager
> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:00:30 -0700
>
>
>
> I decided to learn how Network Manager (NM) works. I went to
> Google and entered "ubuntu,networkmanager" and I got the usual
> 10,000 hits.
>
> Starting from the first I read the next 5 web pages and the
> whole experience was similar to trying to get NM to work. But
> I did get that NM is still in Beta stage. Also most people
> were not able to get NM to do WiFi. The goal of the NM program
> is to have NM always work with a wired Internet, and
> automatically switch to WiFi when wired Internet is turned off.
>
> Alas the WiFi part does not work.

More evidence as to how badly broken Ubuntu 9.10 is. I could not get wireless to work in 9.10 using the default NM installation. The wireless lights show that the driver is working but no connectivity. As to my earlier note, after tonight, 9.10 is a page in history until it the next releease, be it a .1 or .2.

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Tom H wrote:
> Karl F. Larsen wrote:
>
>> I decided to learn how Network Manager (NM) works. I went to
>> Google and entered "ubuntu,networkmanager" and I got the usual
>> 10,000 hits.
>
>> Starting from the first I read the next 5 web pages and the
>> whole experience was similar to trying to get NM to work. But
>> I did get that NM is still in Beta stage. Also most people
>> were not able to get NM to do WiFi. The goal of the NM program
>> is to have NM always work with a wired Internet, and
>> automatically switch to WiFi when wired Internet is turned off.
>
>> Alas the WiFi part does not work.
>
> I have only used Network Manager intermittently (when setting up boxes
> for family and friends or when installing a new version of a
> distribution) and it is the default app for managing network
> connections for SO MANY distributions that it is hard to believe that
> it is as bad as you and some others claim that it is. It has always
> worked perfectly well for the people for whom I have installed and
> configured it (I can assure you that they would be far less flattering
> of it and me than you are of NM if it failed, even irregularly). You
> have built up such a strong pre-conceived notion of NM's failings that
> it will never work for you.
>
> Are you claiming that NM is beta software simply because it is version
> 0.8? If that is the case then Grub (1) was beta forever. Furthermore,
> it is the default at my previous and current employers where we were
> running a few thousand RHEL boxes each. I can assure you that we would
> have had to purge Grub from every box if it were beta, in order to
> prevent the "business-side" of the company from blaming our use of
> beta software for this or that server failure.
>
> Please refrain from making such bizarre and unsubstantiated claims in
> a public forum.
>
Where did you get your Beta for grub version 1??? I got my
Beta for NM from Google when I asked it to show me ubuntu,NM
and it gave me 3 pages where NM was called Beta.

Tell you what, I dislike 9.10 so much I will, using WiFi to
my laptop change it back to NM and then you can tell me what I
am doing wrong!

Here is the whole situation: I have a WiFi router from Wal
Mart costing $40.00 then. I now have a password on it so
others can't share in my Internet. The laptop has zero
problems getting the WiFi with wicd installed. I have no
problem setting up wicd.

Expect an answer of my success in an hour to this experiment.

Karl


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Tom H wrote:
> Karl F. Larsen wrote:
>
>
>> I decided to learn how Network Manager (NM) works. I went to
>> Google and entered "ubuntu,networkmanager" and I got the usual
>> 10,000 hits.
>>
>
>
>> Starting from the first I read the next 5 web pages and the
>> whole experience was similar to trying to get NM to work. But
>> I did get that NM is still in Beta stage. Also most people
>> were not able to get NM to do WiFi. The goal of the NM program
>> is to have NM always work with a wired Internet, and
>> automatically switch to WiFi when wired Internet is turned off.
>>
>
>
>> Alas the WiFi part does not work.
>>
>
> I have only used Network Manager intermittently (when setting up boxes
> for family and friends or when installing a new version of a
> distribution) and it is the default app for managing network
> connections for SO MANY distributions that it is hard to believe that
> it is as bad as you and some others claim that it is. It has always
> worked perfectly well for the people for whom I have installed and
> configured it (I can assure you that they would be far less flattering
> of it and me than you are of NM if it failed, even irregularly). You
> have built up such a strong pre-conceived notion of NM's failings that
> it will never work for you.
>
> Are you claiming that NM is beta software simply because it is version
> 0.8? If that is the case then Grub (1) was beta forever. Furthermore,
> it is the default at my previous and current employers where we were
> running a few thousand RHEL boxes each. I can assure you that we would
> have had to purge Grub from every box if it were beta, in order to
> prevent the "business-side" of the company from blaming our use of
> beta software for this or that server failure.
>
> Please refrain from making such bizarre and unsubstantiated claims in
> a public forum.
>
>
I am on my laptop version 9.10 using NM on WiFi and here is the way
it worked.

1. apt-get install NM
2. reboot
3. Came up asking for my keyring password! I have zero keyring
passwords. I hit deny about 10 times and then another panel came up
asking for my router password. I gave it the password and NM started
working!
4. reboot
5. Same keyring crap! I only use a keyring password when sending secret
instructions to the companies I own stock for.
6. Hit deny 10 times and put router password in again and it works again.

So the real problem with NM is it uses a keyring which I have zero
knowledge of the password. And it will not work right until I get the
stupid keyring right. Can you tell me how to FIX the keyring?

Again, why does NM use a keyring? It is stupid!

73 karl


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Clint Tinsley wrote:
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Karl F. Larsen" <klarsen1@gmail.com>
>> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>
>> Subject: Network Manager
>> Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:00:30 -0700
>>
>>
>>
>> I decided to learn how Network Manager (NM) works. I went to
>> Google and entered "ubuntu,networkmanager" and I got the usual
>> 10,000 hits.
>>
>> Starting from the first I read the next 5 web pages and the
>> whole experience was similar to trying to get NM to work. But
>> I did get that NM is still in Beta stage. Also most people
>> were not able to get NM to do WiFi. The goal of the NM program
>> is to have NM always work with a wired Internet, and
>> automatically switch to WiFi when wired Internet is turned off.
>>
>> Alas the WiFi part does not work.
>
> More evidence as to how badly broken Ubuntu 9.10 is. I could not get wireless to work in 9.10 using the default NM installation. The wireless lights show that the driver is working but no connectivity. As to my earlier note, after tonight, 9.10 is a page in history until it the next releease, be it a .1 or .2.
>

Here is my experiance with NM and WiFi. I replaced wcid with
NM and reboot. It came up with a panel asking me to give the
keyring the password. This was the first time I have seen
keyring on 9.10.

Of course I do not have a password so I hit deny 10 times and
another panel came up. This one wants the router password. I
entered that and the WiFi started working, but it was odd. I
do not think the email I wrote on the laptop ever got to the list.

Reboot and repeat all above. The keyring is the problem. How
do you learn the password of the STUPID keyring???

73 Karl


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On 11/05/2009 09:20 AM, Clint Tinsley wrote:
...
> More evidence as to how badly broken Ubuntu 9.10 is. I could not get
> wireless to work in 9.10 using the default NM installation. The
> wireless lights show that the driver is working but no connectivity.
> As to my earlier note, after tonight, 9.10 is a page in history until
> it the next releease, be it a .1 or .2.
>

Perhaps more evidence on how your email client is broken as well...
everytime to post you seem to spawn a new thread. You might look into
fixing that as well.



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I am beginning to wonder if Microsoft released 9.10 under the Ubuntu label in order to sabotage Ubuntu. *Will 9.10 be the Edsel of operating systems?


Jon"Against stupidity the gods themselves struggle in vain."
* * * * * *--Friedrich von Schiller




On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM, NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:


On 11/05/2009 09:20 AM, Clint Tinsley wrote:

...

> More evidence as to how badly broken Ubuntu 9.10 is. *I could not get

> wireless to work in 9.10 using the default NM installation. *The

> wireless lights show that the driver is working but no connectivity.

> As to my earlier note, after tonight, 9.10 is a page in history until

> it the next releease, be it a .1 or .2.

>



Perhaps more evidence on how your email client is broken as well...

everytime to post you seem to spawn a new thread. You might look into

fixing that as well.







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Jon Hilbert wrote:

I am beginning to wonder if Microsoft released 9.10
under the Ubuntu label in order to sabotage Ubuntu. *Will 9.10 be the
Edsel of operating systems?




Jon
"Against stupidity the gods themselves struggle in vain."

* * * * * *--Friedrich von Schiller







On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM, NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

On
11/05/2009 09:20 AM, Clint Tinsley wrote:

...

> More evidence as to how badly broken Ubuntu
9.10 is. *I could not get

> wireless to work in 9.10 using the default NM installation. *The

> wireless lights show that the driver is working but no
connectivity.

> As to my earlier note, after tonight, 9.10 is a page in history
until

> it the next releease, be it a .1 or .2.

>




Perhaps more evidence on how your email client is broken as well...

everytime to post you seem to spawn a new thread. You might look into

fixing that as well.








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Stop top posting please, and to be honest I haven't had any
problems with 9.10 at all.




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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009, Karl F. Larsen wrote:

> 5. Same keyring crap! I only use a keyring password when sending secret
> instructions to the companies I own stock for.

Does anyone else get the picture of Karl in his basement (doubt if they
have those in Las Cruces) furtively hunched over a key, tapping out
"secret instructions" like a WWII spy behind enemy lines?

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On 11/5/2009 11:15 AM, Colin Law wrote:
> 2009/11/5 Karl F. Larsen<klarsen1@gmail.com>:
>
>> I decided to learn how Network Manager (NM) works. I went to
>> Google and entered "ubuntu,networkmanager" and I got the usual
>> 10,000 hits.
>>
>> Starting from the first I read the next 5 web pages and the
>> whole experience was similar to trying to get NM to work. But
>> I did get that NM is still in Beta stage. Also most people
>> were not able to get NM to do WiFi. The goal of the NM program
>> is to have NM always work with a wired Internet, and
>> automatically switch to WiFi when wired Internet is turned off.
>>
>> Alas the WiFi part does not work.
>>
> As I said previously it does work for me. Also if I have both wired
> and wireless available it connects to both (Jaunty).
>
> Colin
>
>
Same, here... it has not work since KDE 4.x,

Rick


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