Hi there. I recently took a few months off from Gentoo to try Ubuntu
(I heard it "just works", and that is a Good Thing) only to find that
I'd much rather be back on Gentoo again. (The fact that Ubuntu ships
with PulseAudio means that sound it basically broken out of the box,
and I'm excited for Xfce 4.8.)

It's been a few months since I've been around, and I'd like to know if
HAL has been fully deprecated yet. I'd like to avoid using it if at
all possible, since that seems to be the way of the future. So I'm
wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages,
dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL
dependency.

Thanks a lot!

- BW

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Brian Waters <brianmwaters@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> So I'm
> wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages,
> dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL
> dependency.

Using GNOME, the only package that depends by default on HAL is
gnome-power-manager (+hal dependency). Excepting for that one, if you
remove hal from your use flags nothing will try to pull it. I'm not
sure with Xfce or KDE.

Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Instituto de Matemáticas
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

On 02/03/2011 12:59 AM, Brian Waters wrote:

[...]
It's been a few months since I've been around, and I'd like to know if
HAL has been fully deprecated yet. I'd like to avoid using it if at
all possible, since that seems to be the way of the future. So I'm
wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages,
dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL
dependency.


To see that, put "-hal" in your make.conf, and check your package.use
too to make sure there's no "hal" enabling in there. Then unmerge the
hal package and do an "emerge -aDNt --with-bdeps=y world". If something
pulls hal back in, it's gonna show due to the "t" option of emerge.


Hope that helps.

Thanks Canek, that's perfect because for this upcoming install I'm
planning on using acpid for power management anyway. I don't think
power management is something that should run as a regular logged in
user, and it causes problems like your laptop not sleeping when you're
logged out with the login screen up, which is pretty dumb. Although
I'm not sure you can easily use acpid to "do something after 10
minutes of inactivity," so that will probably take jiggery pokery to
figure out.
Anyway, I digress. Maybe I'll start a thread on that when the time comes.

- BW


On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Brian Waters <brianmwaters@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>> So I'm
>> wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages,
>> dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL
>> dependency.
>
> Using GNOME, the only package that depends by default on HAL is
> gnome-power-manager (+hal dependency). Excepting for that one, if you
> remove hal from your use flags nothing will try to pull it. I'm not
> sure with Xfce or KDE.
>
> Regards.
> --
> Canek Peláez Valdés
> Instituto de Matemáticas
> Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
>
>

On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Brian Waters <brianmwaters@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi there. I recently took a few months off from Gentoo to try Ubuntu
> (I heard it "just works", and that is a Good Thing) only to find that
> I'd much rather be back on Gentoo again. (The fact that Ubuntu ships
> with PulseAudio means that sound it basically broken out of the box,
> and I'm excited for Xfce 4.8.)
>
> It's been a few months since I've been around, and I'd like to know if
> HAL has been fully deprecated yet. I'd like to avoid using it if at
> all possible, since that seems to be the way of the future. So I'm
> wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages,
> dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL
> dependency.
>
> Thanks a lot!

http://www.x.org/wiki/XorgHAL

Xorg 1.8 and newer should have udev-instead-of-HAL available.

Brian Waters wrote:

Hi there. I recently took a few months off from Gentoo to try Ubuntu
(I heard it "just works", and that is a Good Thing) only to find that
I'd much rather be back on Gentoo again. (The fact that Ubuntu ships
with PulseAudio means that sound it basically broken out of the box,
and I'm excited for Xfce 4.8.)

It's been a few months since I've been around, and I'd like to know if
HAL has been fully deprecated yet. I'd like to avoid using it if at
all possible, since that seems to be the way of the future. So I'm
wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages,
dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL
dependency.

Thanks a lot!

- BW





I use KDE here but with KDE 4.6, hal is gone. I use xorg 1.9 and no hal
there. If nothing in xfce doesn't need it, then I think it is gone.
All this is on amd64. I'm in the process of updating my x86 rig so I
could answer for it in a day or so. Give me a poke if you need a
report. ;-)


Keep in mind, there are still a few packages that you CAN enable hal
on. They are disabled here and still work fine as far as I know. I
haven't burned a CD/DVD yet but k3b does see the drive and all. I would
think it would work. That reminds me, I need to update some backups. o_O


Hope that helps.

Dale

:-) :-)

Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

On 02/03/2011 12:59 AM, Brian Waters wrote:

[...]
It's been a few months since I've been around, and I'd like to know if
HAL has been fully deprecated yet. I'd like to avoid using it if at
all possible, since that seems to be the way of the future. So I'm
wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages,
dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL
dependency.


To see that, put "-hal" in your make.conf, and check your package.use
too to make sure there's no "hal" enabling in there. Then unmerge the
hal package and do an "emerge -aDNt --with-bdeps=y world". If
something pulls hal back in, it's gonna show due to the "t" option of
emerge.


Hope that helps.






The way i read his post, which may not be read correctly, he doesn't
have a Gentoo install at the moment to run those commands. ;-)


Dale

:-) :-)

Apparently, though unproven, at 01:59 on Thursday 03 February 2011, Dale did
opine thusly:

> Brian Waters wrote:
> > Hi there. I recently took a few months off from Gentoo to try Ubuntu
> > (I heard it "just works", and that is a Good Thing) only to find that
> > I'd much rather be back on Gentoo again. (The fact that Ubuntu ships
> > with PulseAudio means that sound it basically broken out of the box,
> > and I'm excited for Xfce 4.8.)
> >
> > It's been a few months since I've been around, and I'd like to know if
> > HAL has been fully deprecated yet. I'd like to avoid using it if at
> > all possible, since that seems to be the way of the future. So I'm
> > wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages,
> > dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL
> > dependency.
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> >
> > - BW
>
> I use KDE here but with KDE 4.6, hal is gone. I use xorg 1.9 and no hal
> there. If nothing in xfce doesn't need it, then I think it is gone.
> All this is on amd64. I'm in the process of updating my x86 rig so I
> could answer for it in a day or so. Give me a poke if you need a
> report. ;-)
>
> Keep in mind, there are still a few packages that you CAN enable hal
> on. They are disabled here and still work fine as far as I know. I
> haven't burned a CD/DVD yet but k3b does see the drive and all. I would
> think it would work. That reminds me, I need to update some backups. o_O

Everything left here is optional:

$ equery depends hal
* These packages depend on hal:
app-cdr/k3b-2.0.2-r1 (hal ? sys-apps/hal)
app-emulation/wine-1.3.11 (hal ? sys-apps/hal)
app-misc/hal-info-20091130 (>=sys-apps/hal-0.5.10)
dev-libs/e_dbus-1.0.0 (hal ? sys-apps/hal)
media-gfx/gimp-2.6.11 (hal ? sys-apps/hal)
media-libs/libgphoto2-2.4.10 (hal ? >=sys-apps/hal-0.5)
media-tv/xbmc-10.0 (hal ? sys-apps/hal)


--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

I can't imagine why the GIMP would depend on HAL... lol.

And for the record, yes, I am not on Gentoo right now.

- BW

On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 12:12 AM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> Apparently, though unproven, at 01:59 on Thursday 03 February 2011, Dale did
> opine thusly:
>
>> Brian Waters wrote:
>> > Hi there. I recently took a few months off from Gentoo to try Ubuntu
>> > (I heard it "just works", and that is a Good Thing) only to find that
>> > I'd much rather be back on Gentoo again. (The fact that Ubuntu ships
>> > with PulseAudio means that sound it basically broken out of the box,
>> > and I'm excited for Xfce 4.8.)
>> >
>> > It's been a few months since I've been around, and I'd like to know if
>> > HAL has been fully deprecated yet. I'd like to avoid using it if at
>> > all possible, since that seems to be the way of the future. So I'm
>> > wondering what versions of udev and X server (and any other packages,
>> > dbus maybe?) I need to unmask in order to get rid of the HAL
>> > dependency.
>> >
>> > Thanks a lot!
>> >
>> > - BW
>>
>> I use KDE here but with KDE 4.6, hal is gone. *I use xorg 1.9 and no hal
>> there. *If nothing in xfce doesn't need it, then I think it is gone.
>> All this is on amd64. *I'm in the process of updating my x86 rig so I
>> could answer for it in a day or so. *Give me a poke if you need a
>> report. *;-)
>>
>> Keep in mind, there are still a few packages that you CAN enable hal
>> on. *They are disabled here and still work fine as far as I know. *I
>> haven't burned a CD/DVD yet but k3b does see the drive and all. *I would
>> think it would work. *That reminds me, I need to update some backups. *o_O
>
> Everything left here is optional:
>
> $ equery depends hal
> ** These packages depend on hal:
> app-cdr/k3b-2.0.2-r1 (hal ? sys-apps/hal)
> app-emulation/wine-1.3.11 (hal ? sys-apps/hal)
> app-misc/hal-info-20091130 (>=sys-apps/hal-0.5.10)
> dev-libs/e_dbus-1.0.0 (hal ? sys-apps/hal)
> media-gfx/gimp-2.6.11 (hal ? sys-apps/hal)
> media-libs/libgphoto2-2.4.10 (hal ? >=sys-apps/hal-0.5)
> media-tv/xbmc-10.0 (hal ? sys-apps/hal)
>
>
> --
> alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
>
>

Brian Waters wrote:

I can't imagine why the GIMP would depend on HAL... lol.

And for the record, yes, I am not on Gentoo right now.

- BW




In GIMP under the file menu, there is a option to get pictures from a
camera. I have never used that but I guess that is where hal comes in.
It may be something else but that is all I could find.


Dale

:-) :-)