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Old 07-01-2010, 07:02 PM
Nikos Chantziaras
 
Default Opera 10.60: fonts suck

I updated to Opera 10.60 just now. The fonts look extremely ugly to the
point that makes this browser just a useless bunch of bytes on disk.
Anyway to fix this?
 
Old 07-03-2010, 09:37 AM
Mick
 
Default Opera 10.60: fonts suck

On Thursday 01 July 2010 20:02:28 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> I updated to Opera 10.60 just now. The fonts look extremely ugly to the
> point that makes this browser just a useless bunch of bytes on disk.
> Anyway to fix this?

I do not have the same problem ... fonts look fine here. Is your problem
perhaps related to the fonts that you have installed?
--
Regards,
Mick
 
Old 07-03-2010, 10:43 AM
Nikos Chantziaras
 
Default Opera 10.60: fonts suck

On 07/03/2010 12:37 PM, Mick wrote:

On Thursday 01 July 2010 20:02:28 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

I updated to Opera 10.60 just now. The fonts look extremely ugly to the
point that makes this browser just a useless bunch of bytes on disk.
Anyway to fix this?


I do not have the same problem ... fonts look fine here. Is your problem
perhaps related to the fonts that you have installed?


Nope. And Opera 10.11 doesn't have this problem. Neither do the other
browsers I have installed (Firefox and Konqueror.)


Here's a screenshot of the problem:

http://i47.tinypic.com/8tuu.png
 
Old 07-03-2010, 11:06 AM
Alan McKinnon
 
Default Opera 10.60: fonts suck

On Saturday 03 July 2010 12:43:57 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 07/03/2010 12:37 PM, Mick wrote:
> > On Thursday 01 July 2010 20:02:28 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> I updated to Opera 10.60 just now. The fonts look extremely ugly to the
> >> point that makes this browser just a useless bunch of bytes on disk.
> >> Anyway to fix this?
> >
> > I do not have the same problem ... fonts look fine here. Is your problem
> > perhaps related to the fonts that you have installed?
>
> Nope. And Opera 10.11 doesn't have this problem. Neither do the other
> browsers I have installed (Firefox and Konqueror.)
>
> Here's a screenshot of the problem:
>
> http://i47.tinypic.com/8tuu.png

Opera is not using anti-aliasing. You can see it by comparing the content of
the Opera window to the title bar (drawn by kwin).

I'm going to emerge latest opera here and see what I get. Then we can compare
notes.


--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
 
Old 07-03-2010, 11:36 AM
Alan McKinnon
 
Default Opera 10.60: fonts suck

On Saturday 03 July 2010 13:22:35 Daniel Wagener wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:43:57 +0300
>
> Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:
> > On 07/03/2010 12:37 PM, Mick wrote:
> > > On Thursday 01 July 2010 20:02:28 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> > >> I updated to Opera 10.60 just now. The fonts look extremely ugly
> > >> to the point that makes this browser just a useless bunch of bytes
> > >> on disk. Anyway to fix this?
> > >
> > > I do not have the same problem ... fonts look fine here. Is your
> > > problem perhaps related to the fonts that you have installed?
> >
> > Nope. And Opera 10.11 doesn't have this problem. Neither do the
> > other browsers I have installed (Firefox and Konqueror.)
> >
> > Here's a screenshot of the problem:
> > http://i47.tinypic.com/8tuu.png
>
> Maybe you should try holding the control-key and turning the
> mousewheel...
>
> or RTFM how to zoom in Opera...

I fail to see how that comment is in any way useful. He's using the bitstream-
vera font or one of it's derivatives and here on my system it works fine.
Zooming in and out to both extremes does not cause his problem to appear here,
so it's unlikely to be a user fault.

Nikos, I just merged 10.60 and it works here. What are your local font-related
settings?



--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
 
Old 07-03-2010, 12:38 PM
Nikos Chantziaras
 
Default Opera 10.60: fonts suck

On 07/03/2010 02:36 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:

On Saturday 03 July 2010 13:22:35 Daniel Wagener wrote:

On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:43:57 +0300

Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de> wrote:

On 07/03/2010 12:37 PM, Mick wrote:

On Thursday 01 July 2010 20:02:28 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

I updated to Opera 10.60 just now. The fonts look extremely ugly
to the point that makes this browser just a useless bunch of bytes
on disk. Anyway to fix this?


I do not have the same problem ... fonts look fine here. Is your
problem perhaps related to the fonts that you have installed?


Nope. And Opera 10.11 doesn't have this problem. Neither do the
other browsers I have installed (Firefox and Konqueror.)

Here's a screenshot of the problem:
http://i47.tinypic.com/8tuu.png


Maybe you should try holding the control-key and turning the
mousewheel...

or RTFM how to zoom in Opera...


I fail to see how that comment is in any way useful. He's using the bitstream-
vera font or one of it's derivatives and here on my system it works fine.
Zooming in and out to both extremes does not cause his problem to appear here,
so it's unlikely to be a user fault.

Nikos, I just merged 10.60 and it works here. What are your local font-related
settings?


<edit name="autohint" mode="assign"><bool>false</bool></edit>
<edit name="antialias" mode="assign"><bool>true</bool></edit>
<edit name="hinting" mode="assign"><bool>true</bool></edit>
<edit name="hintstyle" mode="assign"><const>hintslight</const></edit>
<edit name="lcdfilter" mode="assign"><const>lcddefault</const></edit>
<edit name="rgba" mode="assign"><const>rgb</const></edit>

freetype:

2.3.12(2)(07:37:47 PM 05/11/2010)(X -bindist -debug -doc -fontforge -utils)

In case it matters, I'm on AMD64. I also found this:

http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/751/
 
Old 07-03-2010, 12:39 PM
Nikos Chantziaras
 
Default Opera 10.60: fonts suck

On 07/03/2010 02:22 PM, Daniel Wagener wrote:

On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:43:57 +0300
Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de> wrote:


On 07/03/2010 12:37 PM, Mick wrote:

On Thursday 01 July 2010 20:02:28 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

I updated to Opera 10.60 just now. The fonts look extremely ugly
to the point that makes this browser just a useless bunch of bytes
on disk. Anyway to fix this?


I do not have the same problem ... fonts look fine here. Is your
problem perhaps related to the fonts that you have installed?


Nope. And Opera 10.11 doesn't have this problem. Neither do the
other browsers I have installed (Firefox and Konqueror.)

Here's a screenshot of the problem:

http://i47.tinypic.com/8tuu.png



Maybe you should try holding the control-key and turning the
mousewheel...

or RTFM how to zoom in Opera...


It still looks like crap if I zoom, so there you go.
 
Old 07-03-2010, 03:36 PM
Mick
 
Default Opera 10.60: fonts suck

On Saturday 03 July 2010 13:38:14 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 07/03/2010 02:36 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Saturday 03 July 2010 13:22:35 Daniel Wagener wrote:
> >> On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:43:57 +0300
> >>
> >> Nikos Chantziaras<realnc@arcor.de> wrote:
> >>> On 07/03/2010 12:37 PM, Mick wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday 01 July 2010 20:02:28 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >>>>> I updated to Opera 10.60 just now. The fonts look extremely ugly
> >>>>> to the point that makes this browser just a useless bunch of bytes
> >>>>> on disk. Anyway to fix this?
> >>>>
> >>>> I do not have the same problem ... fonts look fine here. Is your
> >>>> problem perhaps related to the fonts that you have installed?
> >>>
> >>> Nope. And Opera 10.11 doesn't have this problem. Neither do the
> >>> other browsers I have installed (Firefox and Konqueror.)
> >>>
> >>> Here's a screenshot of the problem:
> >>> http://i47.tinypic.com/8tuu.png
> >>
> >> Maybe you should try holding the control-key and turning the
> >> mousewheel...
> >>
> >> or RTFM how to zoom in Opera...
> >
> > I fail to see how that comment is in any way useful. He's using the
> > bitstream- vera font or one of it's derivatives and here on my system it
> > works fine. Zooming in and out to both extremes does not cause his
> > problem to appear here, so it's unlikely to be a user fault.
> >
> > Nikos, I just merged 10.60 and it works here. What are your local
> > font-related settings?
>
> <edit name="autohint" mode="assign"><bool>false</bool></edit>
> <edit name="antialias" mode="assign"><bool>true</bool></edit>
> <edit name="hinting" mode="assign"><bool>true</bool></edit>
> <edit name="hintstyle" mode="assign"><const>hintslight</const></edit>
> <edit name="lcdfilter" mode="assign"><const>lcddefault</const></edit>
> <edit name="rgba" mode="assign"><const>rgb</const></edit>
>
> freetype:
>
> 2.3.12(2)(07:37:47 PM 05/11/2010)(X -bindist -debug -doc -fontforge -utils)
>
> In case it matters, I'm on AMD64. I also found this:
>
> http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/751/

Previous versions used to have the qt-static flag in them, the 10.60 does not.
All I can say is that over here fonts look anti-aliased - so I am not sure
what's causing your problem - could it be related to your desktop manager?
--
Regards,
Mick
 
Old 07-03-2010, 04:02 PM
Nikos Chantziaras
 
Default Opera 10.60: fonts suck

On 07/03/2010 06:36 PM, Mick wrote:

On Saturday 03 July 2010 13:38:14 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

[...]
In case it matters, I'm on AMD64. I also found this:

http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/751/


Previous versions used to have the qt-static flag in them, the 10.60 does not.
All I can say is that over here fonts look anti-aliased - so I am not sure
what's causing your problem - could it be related to your desktop manager?


I've no idea. That's why I posted about it :-/
 
Old 07-03-2010, 07:07 PM
Alan McKinnon
 
Default Opera 10.60: fonts suck

On Saturday 03 July 2010 14:38:14 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> > Nikos, I just merged 10.60 and it works here. What are your local
> > font-related settings?
>
> <edit name="autohint" mode="assign"><bool>false</bool></edit>
> <edit name="antialias" mode="assign"><bool>true</bool></edit>
> <edit name="hinting" mode="assign"><bool>true</bool></edit>
> <edit name="hintstyle" mode="assign"><const>hintslight</const></edit>
> <edit name="lcdfilter" mode="assign"><const>lcddefault</const></edit>
> <edit name="rgba" mode="assign"><const>rgb</const></edit>

For comparison, here's mine. I seldom touch or do anything with my font
config:

# eselect fontconfig list
Available fontconfig .conf files (* is enabled):
[1] 10-autohint.conf *
[2] 10-no-sub-pixel.conf
[3] 10-sub-pixel-bgr.conf
[4] 10-sub-pixel-rgb.conf *
[5] 10-sub-pixel-vbgr.conf
[6] 10-sub-pixel-vrgb.conf
[7] 10-unhinted.conf
[8] 20-fix-globaladvance.conf *
[9] 20-unhint-small-dejavu-sans.conf
[10] 20-unhint-small-dejavu-sans-mono.conf
[11] 20-unhint-small-dejavu-serif.conf
[12] 20-unhint-small-vera.conf
[13] 25-unhint-nonlatin.conf
[14] 30-metric-aliases.conf *
[15] 30-urw-aliases.conf *
[16] 40-nonlatin.conf *
[17] 45-latin.conf *
[18] 49-sansserif.conf *
[19] 50-user.conf *
[20] 51-local.conf *
[21] 57-dejavu-sans.conf *
[22] 57-dejavu-sans-mono.conf *
[23] 57-dejavu-serif.conf *
[24] 60-latin.conf *
[25] 60-liberation.conf *
[26] 65-fonts-persian.conf
[27] 65-khmer.conf
[28] 65-nonlatin.conf *
[29] 69-unifont.conf *
[30] 70-no-bitmaps.conf *
[31] 70-yes-bitmaps.conf
[32] 80-delicious.conf *
[33] 90-synthetic.conf *


You have autohint set to false. What does that do?

>
> freetype:
>
> 2.3.12(2)(07:37:47 PM 05/11/2010)(X -bindist -debug -doc -fontforge -utils)

Same here apart from utils, I have that on. Doesn't seem relevant.

> In case it matters, I'm on AMD64. I also found this:
>
> http://www.opera.com/support/kb/view/751/

Doesn't seem to apply. It only mentions opera's own decorations in menus etc,
not the actual content in the page. What does opera use as it's rendering
engine?


--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
 

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