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Old 02-24-2010, 01:46 PM
Nikos Chantziaras
 
Default KDE? Get me out of here!

On 02/24/2010 04:28 PM, Crístian Viana wrote:

there was a recent discussion about this on this mailing list:
http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/msg_13c6d27e4216e91ed3c4800fe42b8e95.xml

it seems only Kmail needs that USE flag. I also haven't tried this on my
system.


Question is: will enabling that USE flag only for kdelibs result in KDE
in general using a "semantic desktop?"
 
Old 02-24-2010, 02:32 PM
Alan McKinnon
 
Default KDE? Get me out of here!

On Wednesday 24 February 2010 16:46:59 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 02/24/2010 04:28 PM, Crístian Viana wrote:
> > there was a recent discussion about this on this mailing list:
> > http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/msg_13c6d27e4216e91ed3c4800fe42b8e
> > 95.xml
> >
> > it seems only Kmail needs that USE flag. I also haven't tried this on my
> > system.
>
> Question is: will enabling that USE flag only for kdelibs result in KDE
> in general using a "semantic desktop?"

No. It means that kdelibs will support Nepomuk, whether individual apps do so
or not is indeterminate. There are three possibilities for apps:

1. They build support for semantic desktop
2. They do not build support for semantic desktop
3. They can be configured to support or not support semantic desktop via USE

Plus a 4th option: buggy code that does some weird combination of 1-3 or
perhaps something else altogether.

To answer your question, you would have to audit all the KDE4 apps and add up
the tally against points 1-3 (and maybe 4)


--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:03 PM
Dale
 
Default KDE? Get me out of here!

chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:

Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2010 15:12:58 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:


On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:


On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:


On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:


I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia.
I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need
from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
multiple desktops.
I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
toolchains or in a browser.

The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
running out of disk space. A little research showed that an
odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've
got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never
near full before.


Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge
-a --depclean. That should do it.


Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
semantic-desktop use flag set?


Don't know, never happened here.



Just tried it, and the following apps are being recompiled right now:

[ebuild R ] kde-base/pykde4-4.3.5-r1 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/gwenview-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/akonadi-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/dolphin-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"

Let's see if it works.





I seem to recall that I had to enable this for some updates recently.
Something wouldn't compile without the USE flag being set. I don't
think I need the thing either so if this works now, I may change mine
and try it too. Also, I use the kde-meta package which may make a
difference.


Dale

:-) :-)
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:17 PM
Nikos Chantziaras
 
Default KDE? Get me out of here!

On 02/24/2010 06:03 PM, Dale wrote:

chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:

Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2010 15:12:58 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:

On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:

I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia.
I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need
from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
multiple desktops.
I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
toolchains or in a browser.

The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
running out of disk space. A little research showed that an
odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in
some
dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've
got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never
near full before.

Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge
-a --depclean. That should do it.

Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
semantic-desktop use flag set?

Don't know, never happened here.


Just tried it, and the following apps are being recompiled right now:

[ebuild R ] kde-base/pykde4-4.3.5-r1 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/gwenview-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/akonadi-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/dolphin-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"

Let's see if it works.




I seem to recall that I had to enable this for some updates recently.
Something wouldn't compile without the USE flag being set. I don't think
I need the thing either so if this works now, I may change mine and try
it too. Also, I use the kde-meta package which may make a difference.


KMail from KDE 4.4 needs it. KMail from KDE 4.3 doesn't.
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:43 PM
Mike Edenfield
 
Default KDE? Get me out of here!

On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
>> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
>>> important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia.
>>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from
>>> any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple
>>> desktops.
>>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
>>> toolchains or in a browser.
>>>
>>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
>>> running out of disk space. A little research showed that an
>>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
>>> dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got
>>> a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near
>>> full before.
>>
>> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge
>> -a --depclean. That should do it.
>>
>>
>
> Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set?
>

For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn
off the services after installing them.

Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment,
he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space.

--Mike
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:47 PM
Dale
 
Default KDE? Get me out of here!

chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:

On 02/24/2010 06:03 PM, Dale wrote:

chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:

Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2010 15:12:58 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:

On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:

I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia.
I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need
from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
multiple desktops.
I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
toolchains or in a browser.

The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
running out of disk space. A little research showed that an
odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in
some
dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've
got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never
near full before.
Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world.
emerge

-a --depclean. That should do it.

Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
semantic-desktop use flag set?

Don't know, never happened here.


Just tried it, and the following apps are being recompiled right now:

[ebuild R ] kde-base/pykde4-4.3.5-r1 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/gwenview-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/akonadi-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/dolphin-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.3.5
USE="-semantic-desktop*"

[ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"

Let's see if it works.




I seem to recall that I had to enable this for some updates recently.
Something wouldn't compile without the USE flag being set. I don't think
I need the thing either so if this works now, I may change mine and try
it too. Also, I use the kde-meta package which may make a difference.


KMail from KDE 4.4 needs it. KMail from KDE 4.3 doesn't.




Since kde-meta would pull in Kmail, that could be the problem for me.
If you folks are doing yours the manual way, you may can get away with
it. I suspect that some other packages will pull it in as KDE develops
tho. After all, KDE 4 has a LOT of eye candy to it. Sort of like
winders actually. ;-)


Dale

:-) :-)
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:52 PM
Volker Armin Hemmann
 
Default KDE? Get me out of here!

On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Mike Edenfield wrote:
> On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> >>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
> >>> important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia.
> >>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need
> >>> from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
> >>> multiple desktops.
> >>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
> >>> toolchains or in a browser.
> >>>
> >>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
> >>> running out of disk space. A little research showed that an
> >>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
> >>> dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've
> >>> got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never
> >>> near full before.
> >>
> >> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge
> >> -a --depclean. That should do it.
> >
> > Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
> > semantic-desktop use flag set?
>
> For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn
> off the services after installing them.
>
> Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment,
> he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk
> space.
>
> --Mike

the thing is - xfce does not necessarily use less ram. And semantic desktop
can help him to easily find data points over a multitude of documents..,..
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:58 PM
Nikos Chantziaras
 
Default KDE? Get me out of here!

On 02/24/2010 06:47 PM, Dale wrote:

chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:

On 02/24/2010 06:03 PM, Dale wrote:

chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:

Am Mittwoch, 24. Februar 2010 15:12:58 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:

On 02/24/2010 03:41 PM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:

I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia.
I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need
from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
multiple desktops.
I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
toolchains or in a browser.

The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
running out of disk space. A little research showed that an
odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in
some
dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've
got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never
near full before.

Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world.
emerge
-a --depclean. That should do it.

Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
semantic-desktop use flag set?

Don't know, never happened here.


Just tried it, and the following apps are being recompiled right now:

[ebuild R ] kde-base/pykde4-4.3.5-r1 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/gwenview-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/akonadi-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] net-wireless/kbluetooth-0.4.2 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/plasma-workspace-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/dolphin-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/kdebase-runtime-meta-4.3.5
USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"
[ebuild R ] kde-base/kdeplasma-addons-4.3.5 USE="-semantic-desktop*"

Let's see if it works.




I seem to recall that I had to enable this for some updates recently.
Something wouldn't compile without the USE flag being set. I don't think
I need the thing either so if this works now, I may change mine and try
it too. Also, I use the kde-meta package which may make a difference.


KMail from KDE 4.4 needs it. KMail from KDE 4.3 doesn't.




Since kde-meta would pull in Kmail, that could be the problem for me. If
you folks are doing yours the manual way, you may can get away with it.


No, no manual way here. I use meta packages too. Just not kde-meta;
that's the
"includes-all-mega-duper-everything-mother-of-all-meta-packages" package.


Instead I use stuff like kdeartwork-meta, kdebase-meta,
kdebase-runtime-meta, etc. Emerging the actual packages all by hand
would be too tedious. I still need a few, but really just a few (and
it's obvious which ones; for example if you have the Kate editor missing
in KDE, you know you need to emerge kde-base/kate.)
 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:59 PM
Nikos Chantziaras
 
Default KDE? Get me out of here!

On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote:

On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:

On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:

I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia.
I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need from
any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for multiple
desktops.
I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
toolchains or in a browser.

The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
running out of disk space. A little research showed that an
odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've got
a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never near
full before.


Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge
-a --depclean. That should do it.




Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the semantic-desktop use flag set?



For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn
off the services after installing them.

Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment,
he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk space.


How do you know what he needs? He probably wants KDE but without the
whole "Semantic Desktop" thingy.
 
Old 02-24-2010, 04:08 PM
Volker Armin Hemmann
 
Default KDE? Get me out of here!

On Mittwoch 24 Februar 2010, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 02/24/2010 06:43 PM, Mike Edenfield wrote:
> > On 2/24/2010 8:41 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
> >> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 03:38:09PM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >>> On 02/24/2010 04:27 AM, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> >>>> I've been using KDE for a long time, for reasons that are no longer
> >>>> important to me. I have remained out of pure inertia.
> >>>> I use gnome happily at work, both on Fedora and Ubuntu. All I need
> >>>> from any of them is a panel with some favorites, and a pager for
> >>>> multiple desktops.
> >>>> I spend most of my time in vim, in the C program and documentation
> >>>> toolchains or in a browser.
> >>>>
> >>>> The reason I bring this up is that my account just froze on me from
> >>>> running out of disk space. A little research showed that an
> >>>> odd-sounding thing called nepomuk was using 7.2 G (SEVEN GIGS) in some
> >>>> dotfiles. It turns out to be a KDE client - whatever that is. I've
> >>>> got a lot of space here and there, but my /home partition was never
> >>>> near full before.
> >>>
> >>> Put "-semantic-desktop" in your make.conf. emerge -auDN world. emerge
> >>> -a --depclean. That should do it.
> >>
> >> Is that even possible? Won't a number of KDE apps demand the
> >> semantic-desktop use flag set?
> >
> > For KDE 4.4, +semantic-desktop is mandatory, though you can still turn
> > off the services after installing them.
> >
> > Honestly, for what the OP appears to need out of a desktop environment,
> > he'd be more than happy with Xfce or something and save a ton of disk
> > space.
>
> How do you know what he needs? He probably wants KDE but without the
> whole "Semantic Desktop" thingy.


he wrote:

> Thanks. My having research work with a few hundred thousand small files
and a couple of terrabytes of storage and backups could account for the
size. Some occasional sluggishness too. It makes no sense to index any of
this, so ditching it feels good.

and semantic-desktop was developed to help people with such workloads.
 

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