On Sunday 13 December 2009 20:22:03 Dale wrote:
> Mick wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I got mixed up with the various .fdi files in a previous thread, thinking
> > that this is what killed my X GUI. However, it seems that the problem is
> > most likely related to rc.conf. Has this file been done away with as far
> > as Gentoo is concerned? I say this because I discovered that running
> > dispatch.conf after sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.13 substitutes /etc/rc.conf
> > with an empty file. Mind you, even if the file contains the previous
> > information about XSESSION xdm or slim do not seem to use it now.
> >
> > If this is the case, am I right to assume that the files in
> > /etc/X11/Sessions/* are not used anymore and the solution is to set up a
> > local ~/.xinitrc file for launching the desired WM?
> >
> > I am muddled up because I have forever it seems used /etc/rc.conf to
> > manage the XSESSION which xdm would pick from /etc/X11/Sessions/* to
> > start different WMs.
> >
> > Right now I have copied the contents of /etc/X11/Sessions/fluxbox into
> > ~/.xinitrc, added slim's /usr/share/doc/slim-1.3.1-r4/xinitrc.sample.bz2
> > and that's how I can get fluxbox to come up.
> >
> > What is the default Gentoo way these days of bringing up an X session?
> >
> > PS. Is there a clever way of killing slim? It seems that
> > /etc/init.d/xdm stop/zap won't kill slim or the X session that it starts.
> > I need to manually run kill -9 to make it give up.
>
> Well, I'm a KDE guy myself so this may just be completely wrong here. I
> put my X stuff in /etc/conf.d/xdm and it tells what I am using for my
> GUI. Again, I don't have Fluxbox and I understand it works differently
> so this may be as far off as Pluto.

Thanks Dale,

The /etc/conf.d/xdm file, which arrived after the /etc/rc.conf days, is indeed
used to set up the Display Manager, but not the Window Manager/Display
Environment X session. The latter was being defined in rc.conf, but this I
think is no longer the case - hence I am asking here.
--
Regards,
Mick

Mick wrote:
Thanks Dale,

The /etc/conf.d/xdm file, which arrived after the /etc/rc.conf days, is indeed
used to set up the Display Manager, but not the Window Manager/Display
Environment X session. The latter was being defined in rc.conf, but this I
think is no longer the case - hence I am asking here.



I was thinking Fluxbox used a different method but thought it worth
mentioning since looking wouldn't hurt. I see someone else posted
something so maybe that will help.


Dale

:-) :-)

On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:43:41 +0000, Mick wrote:

> The /etc/conf.d/xdm file, which arrived after the /etc/rc.conf days, is
> indeed used to set up the Display Manager, but not the Window
> Manager/Display Environment X session. The latter was being defined in
> rc.conf, but this I think is no longer the case - hence I am asking
> here.

The DE/WM to use is specified by whatever display manager you use.
Setting it in a global configuration file is pointless on a multi-user
system.


--
Neil Bothwick

DOS never says "EXCELLENT command or filename"...

Hi!

> > Thanks Mike, most helpful! What happens if you want to switch between
> > different sessions at/from the Display Manager stage? Do you place
> > them all in /etc/env.d/90xsession ?
>
> Sorry, I'm not sure how to do that. I'm the only user on my system and
> I don't use a graphical login manager.

For example KDM (and GDM, i think) look for *.desktop files in
/usr/share/xsessions.

HTH
Patrick

On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:18:56 +0000, Mick wrote:

> > The DE/WM to use is specified by whatever display manager you use.
> > Setting it in a global configuration file is pointless on a multi-user
> > system.

> So, where would you specify which DE/WM session the xdm Display
> Manager will load up for a specific user in a Gentoo set up?
> (assuming that there is such a thing as a Gentoo default way of doing
> this).

I used xdm once, that was more than enough. gdm and kdm both have options
to do this, as did the one whose name I cannot remember that I tried
once. Alternatively, you can use the XSESSION environment variable or use
the standard .xinitrc/.xsession way of doing things. I'd either do that
latter or use a more flexible display manager, I find xdm horrible.


--
Neil Bothwick

Why is it that when you transport something by car it's called shipment,
but when you transport it by ship it's called cargo?

At Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:22:42 +0000 Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:18:56 +0000, Mick wrote:
>
>> > The DE/WM to use is specified by whatever display manager you use.
>> > Setting it in a global configuration file is pointless on a multi-user
>> > system.
>
>> So, where would you specify which DE/WM session the xdm Display
>> Manager will load up for a specific user in a Gentoo set up?
>> (assuming that there is such a thing as a Gentoo default way of doing
>> this).
>
> I used xdm once, that was more than enough. gdm and kdm both have options
> to do this, as did the one whose name I cannot remember that I tried
> once. Alternatively, you can use the XSESSION environment variable or use
> the standard .xinitrc/.xsession way of doing things. I'd either do that
> latter or use a more flexible display manager, I find xdm horrible.

I use gdm and do successfully get my WM set up.

However, I would like to set (augment) PATH early so that, for example,
the gnome panel has the path and hence all the launchers do.

I know it is just one line in the shell
export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
but I don't know what file to put it in.

It would be acceptable, but not preferable, if this was set for all
users; the only requirement is that it is set for user gottlieb.

thanks,
allan

On Monday 14 December 2009 12:22:42 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:18:56 +0000, Mick wrote:
> > > The DE/WM to use is specified by whatever display manager you use.
> > > Setting it in a global configuration file is pointless on a multi-user
> > > system.
> >
> > So, where would you specify which DE/WM session the xdm Display
> > Manager will load up for a specific user in a Gentoo set up?
> > (assuming that there is such a thing as a Gentoo default way of doing
> > this).
>
> I used xdm once, that was more than enough. gdm and kdm both have options
> to do this, as did the one whose name I cannot remember that I tried
> once. Alternatively, you can use the XSESSION environment variable or use
> the standard .xinitrc/.xsession way of doing things. I'd either do that
> latter or use a more flexible display manager, I find xdm horrible.

You're right, although xdm can be beautified if you have the time or
inclination to look into /etc/X11/xdm/Xresources.

When I am looking for my XSESSION I get nothing:

$ echo $SESSION


How do I set this up, other than Mike's suggestion of '/etc/env.d/90xsession'?
--
Regards,
Mick

Allan Gottlieb wrote:

> I know it is just one line in the shell
> export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
> but I don't know what file to put it in.
>
> It would be acceptable, but not preferable, if this was set for all
> users; the only requirement is that it is set for user gottlieb.

For all users: /etc/profile (if using bourne derived shells like bash)
or
/etc/profile.csh (for c shell derivatives)

For only your user: ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc or ~/.*rc
or whatever is used for your particular shell dialect.

HTH

Best regards

Peter K

At Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:55:35 +0100 pk <peterk2@coolmail.se> wrote:

> Allan Gottlieb wrote:
>
>> I know it is just one line in the shell
>> export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
>> but I don't know what file to put it in.
>>
>> It would be acceptable, but not preferable, if this was set for all
>> users; the only requirement is that it is set for user gottlieb.
>
> For all users: /etc/profile (if using bourne derived shells like bash)
> or
> /etc/profile.csh (for c shell derivatives)
>
> For only your user: ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc or ~/.*rc
> or whatever is used for your particular shell dialect.
>
> HTH

Does that get sourced by the gnome panel so that launchers see it?
I hadn't thought so, but will try it.
Thanks.
allan

On 12/14/2009 3:50 PM, Mick wrote:

When I am looking for my XSESSION I get nothing:

$ echo $SESSION


How do I set this up, other than Mike's suggestion of '/etc/env.d/90xsession'?


With baselayout-2, setting it in /etc/env.d is the correct method; if
you want per-user sessions you can also set it in your local .bashrc file.


Also, note: $XSESSION != $SESSION, just in case it's already set and you
missed it.


--Mike