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Old 09-14-2008, 06:41 PM
"Mariusz Przygodzki"
 
Default KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
<volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> wrote:
> On Sunday 14 September 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
>> Am Sonntag, 14. September 2008 19:16:08 schrieb Mariusz Przygodzki:
>> > But unfortunately it requires plaudis ...
>>
>> Why is it unfortunate?
>
> because not everybody wants to install that bloated thing - watch it devour
> config files and be insulted by the troll-brigade.
>
> Making the 'official' overlay paludis-only was a BIG mistake.
>
> And as kdesvn-portage shows - it was unneeded. 'We need the features of
> paludis' was shown as bs. Just another little trick by the paludis-group to
> convert people.
>
> Luckily that failed. You don't need it.

Fair enough. Thank you very much for pointing it.
And I really didn't know about "unofficial" kdesvn-portage until now.
 
Old 09-14-2008, 07:11 PM
"b.n."
 
Default KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

Mariusz Przygodzki ha scritto:

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 7:41 PM, b.n. <brullonulla@gmail.com> wrote:

Mariusz Przygodzki ha scritto:

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Erik Hahn <ng.ehahn@gmx.de> wrote:

If only 4.1.1 was there... :')

You know, there's an overlay...

But unfortunately it requires plaudis ...


At what point "stabilization" of KDE 4 is?


None. It was about "availability", not "stabilization".


Don't understand. But probably I wasn't making myself clear at all

What I mean is, for people that do not want to mess with overlays, at
what point is kde 4 on the path towards being x86 stable? Any news?


m.
 
Old 09-14-2008, 07:14 PM
David Leverton
 
Default KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

On Sunday 14 September 2008 19:28:28 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> because not everybody wants to install that bloated thing

Not bloated.

> watch it devour config files

Lies.

> and be insulted by the troll-brigade.

The only people who get insulted are those who repeatedly and deliberately
spread vicious lies, FUD and personal attacks.

> Making the 'official' overlay paludis-only was a BIG mistake.

It's not "paludis-only", it will work with any package manager whose
developers care enough to support the useful features of the kdebuild-1 EAPI.

> And as kdesvn-portage shows - it was unneeded.

"Unneeded" is a funny word. You don't "need" ebuilds at all, but that doesn't
mean they're not useful.

> 'We need the features of paludis' was shown as bs.

No-one said any such thing. They did say that they were sick of waiting years
and years for Portage to provide features that would have made their and
their users lives a lot easier.

> Just another little trick by the paludis-group

The KDE overlay isn't produced by the "paludis-group".

> to convert people.

No, to provide ebuilds that make use of useful features that benefit both
users and developers.

> Luckily that failed.

Wrong.
 
Old 09-14-2008, 07:27 PM
"Mariusz Przygodzki"
 
Default KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 9:14 PM, David Leverton
<levertond@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday 14 September 2008 19:28:28 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>> 'We need the features of paludis' was shown as bs.
>
> No-one said any such thing. They did say that they were sick of waiting years
> and years for Portage to provide features that would have made their and
> their users lives a lot easier.

Maybe "they" were waiting so many years because "they" have never
asked users about what users really need and think about it.

"It's not that we hate you (unless we do). It's just that we have
nothing to offer you, and you have nothing to offer us."
 
Old 09-14-2008, 07:35 PM
David Leverton
 
Default KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

On Sunday 14 September 2008 20:27:52 Mariusz Przygodzki wrote:
> Maybe "they" were waiting so many years because "they" have never
> asked users about what users really need and think about it.

What?

> "It's not that we hate you (unless we do). It's just that we have
> nothing to offer you, and you have nothing to offer us."

Since that has absolutely nothing do to with the topic of discussion, or
indeed anything Gentoo-related, your quoting of it at me can only be
considered a personal attack.
 
Old 09-14-2008, 07:38 PM
"Mariusz Przygodzki"
 
Default KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 9:35 PM, David Leverton
<levertond@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday 14 September 2008 20:27:52 Mariusz Przygodzki wrote:
>> Maybe "they" were waiting so many years because "they" have never
>> asked users about what users really need and think about it.
>
> What?
>
>> "It's not that we hate you (unless we do). It's just that we have
>> nothing to offer you, and you have nothing to offer us."
>
> Since that has absolutely nothing do to with the topic of discussion, or
> indeed anything Gentoo-related, your quoting of it at me can only be
> considered a personal attack.

No, it is NOT.
 
Old 09-14-2008, 07:41 PM
David Leverton
 
Default KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

On Sunday 14 September 2008 20:38:49 Mariusz Przygodzki wrote:
> No, it is NOT.

Then what is it? If you're not sniping at me (or possibly the genkdesvn team)
for being involved with Exherbo, why did you post that here?
 
Old 09-14-2008, 07:58 PM
Dirk Heinrichs
 
Default KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

Am Sonntag, 14. September 2008 20:28:28 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:

> Just another little trick by the paludis-group to
> convert people.

I started using paludis long before that overlay even existed. Didn't need any
tricks.

Bye...

Dirk
 
Old 09-14-2008, 08:37 PM
Volker Armin Hemmann
 
Default KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

On Sunday 14 September 2008, David Leverton wrote:
> On Sunday 14 September 2008 19:28:28 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > because not everybody wants to install that bloated thing
>
> Not bloated.

I am sorry:
extremly bloated.

>
> > watch it devour config files
>
> Lies.

oh really? what happens when you forget the 'portage' useflag? Hm?

>
> > and be insulted by the troll-brigade.
>
> The only people who get insulted are those who repeatedly and deliberately
> spread vicious lies, FUD and personal attacks.

oh really? There are enough examples of troll behaviour. Starting with Ciaranm
himself. SPB and rbrown are good examples too.

>
> > Making the 'official' overlay paludis-only was a BIG mistake.
>
> It's not "paludis-only", it will work with any package manager whose
> developers care enough to support the useful features of the kdebuild-1
> EAPI.

and that was an official api? Yes? No?

Was it needed? No - proven by kdesvn-portage

>
> > And as kdesvn-portage shows - it was unneeded.
>
> "Unneeded" is a funny word. You don't "need" ebuilds at all, but that
> doesn't mean they're not useful.

unneeded is the correct choice of words. That 'special feature that only
paludis - and unoffical packet manager developed by a dev team which has a
very high 'forcefully retired' content - has' was not needed - as shown by
kdesvn-portage.

> > Just another little trick by the paludis-group
>
> The KDE overlay isn't produced by the "paludis-group".

no, it was just made by vivid paludis fans. Hey, lets make an overlay a lot of
user want - and make it paludis only. That way we can push paludis!

> No, to provide ebuilds that make use of useful features that benefit both
> users and developers.

which one? Which features 'benefit both users and developers' and are sooo
important that the kde overlay had to be paludis only?

Name them please.

Oh, does paludis support and equivalent to 'keep-going' or '--ignore-failures'
or are people who wants this extremly usefull features still attacked and
insulted?
 
Old 09-14-2008, 08:39 PM
"Mariusz Przygodzki"
 
Default KDE 3.5.10 in portage...

On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 9:41 PM, David Leverton
<levertond@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday 14 September 2008 20:38:49 Mariusz Przygodzki wrote:
>> No, it is NOT.
>
> Then what is it? If you're not sniping at me (or possibly the genkdesvn team)
> for being involved with Exherbo, why did you post that here?

That's simple
The mentioned quotation is an accurate conclusion of discussion about
"why Gentoo users shoud use paludis to install and test KDE4 desktop
efficiently ?".
 

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