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Old 04-27-2008, 08:06 PM
"Wulf C. Krueger"
 
Default DevRel policy update

How to gain power the easy way and obsolete conflict resolution in just
one commit:

http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/devrel/policy.xml?r1=1.18&r2=1.19

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Old 04-27-2008, 08:18 PM
Fabian Groffen
 
Default DevRel policy update

On 27-04-2008 22:06:30 +0200, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
> How to gain power the easy way and obsolete conflict resolution in just
> one commit:
>
> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/devrel/policy.xml?r1=1.18&r2=1.19

I noticed the same, but there probably was a better way to put attention
to this remarkable policy.
I assume it is just a better, more explicit wording of already existing
policy, considering the original version.

The policy appears worrysome to me, but in my opinion seems not to be
introduced by this commit.


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Gentoo on a different level
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:04 PM
Petteri Räty
 
Default DevRel policy update

Wulf C. Krueger kirjoitti:
How to gain power the easy way and obsolete conflict resolution in just
one commit:


http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/devrel/policy.xml?r1=1.18&r2=1.19



Please use the appropriate mailing list. Nothing technical here. This
thread belongs to -project.


Regards,
Petteri
 
Old 04-27-2008, 10:12 PM
"Chrissy Fullam"
 
Default DevRel policy update

Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
> How to gain power the easy way and obsolete conflict resolution in just
> one commit:
>
> http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/devrel/poli
> cy.xml?r1=1.18&r2=1.19

Neither Developer Relations as a whole or myself as the Lead acts without a
system for checks and balances. If you read the policy change, such a system
is in place. And if you notice, this 'power' is authorized by our elected
Council.

As this change directly affects developers only, please take further
discussion to the Gentoo-core ML.


Kind regards,
Christina Fullam
Gentoo Developer Relations Lead | Gentoo Public Relations




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Old 04-27-2008, 10:32 PM
Luca Barbato
 
Default DevRel policy update

Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
How to gain power the easy way and obsolete conflict resolution in just
one commit:


http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/devrel/policy.xml?r1=1.18&r2=1.19



Those are quite strong words.

As grobian said it doesn't change at all what has been the normal way to
address certain situations.


The council has the last word as usual and the council can ask infra to
perform such tasks.


We spend time on gentoo not because we seek power but because we like
help improving something we consider valuable.


Having an extrema ratio/last resort in order to protect it isn't that
uncommon.


Council was notified in advance of the written policy change and
approved it.


musikc never abused her position and I'm confident she won't in the future.

On the other hand we got MANY complaints about your behavior lately.

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Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC
http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

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Old 04-28-2008, 12:52 AM
Steve Long
 
Default DevRel policy update

Petteri Räty wrote:

> Wulf C. Krueger kirjoitti:
>> How to gain power the easy way and obsolete conflict resolution in just
>> one commit:
>>
>>
http://sources.gentoo.org/viewcvs.py/gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en/devrel/policy.xml?r1=1.18&r2=1.19
>>
>
> Please use the appropriate mailing list. Nothing technical here. This
> thread belongs to -project.
>
Indeed. I agree it simply clarifies the existing policy, in that devrel lead
or infra previously had a call on whether an issue were critical.

It'll still be transparent and a lead who used that power lightly would soon
get relieved of duty one would hope. (If not kick up a stink then, not now,
as nothing's really changed.)


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Old 04-28-2008, 05:32 PM
"Richard Brown"
 
Default DevRel policy update

On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Chrissy Fullam <musikc@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
> As this change directly affects developers only, please take further
> discussion to the Gentoo-core ML.

I'd like to, but I appear to have been unsubscribed from that list.
Assuming that my retirement and this change in policy are not
unrelated, I'm afraid you appear to have not followed your own policy.
The new policy reads: "The critical nature of an escalation may be
determined by the Developer Relations Lead or Infrastructure, for
security-related issues, that which would endanger Gentoo, or our
reputation. An issue that is deemed critical does not need further
justification in addition to stating which of the above situations it
falls under." In the email you sent kindly sent me informing me of my
retirement:

> In light of the escalation and review of recent issues, you have had your
> developer rights revoked for your repeated and aggravated behavior despite
> numerous attempts to correct that. Gentoo will not tolerate these continued
> repeat offenses and as such Developer Relations has acted under Developer
> Policy:
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/policy.xml. Per that policy you have
> the right to appeal this decision to Gentoo Council.
>

You make no mention of the issue being critical, or under which of the
two criteria I should have been retired under.

Please ask infra to restore my access until such time as you are able
to follow your own policy for conflict resolution. I'll be waiting for
a proper bug that I can read that explains what I did to whom, and
when and how they complained.

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