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Old 10-12-2012, 11:05 AM
"Jˇhann B. Gu­mundsson"
 
Default Root password and the location of the done button

Arg can we please have the root password dialog back into the main hub,
the lack of it breaks minimal install


Can we please have the done button in the right upper corner like the
rest of the application in the world has it you know that --> [X] <---
thing you see in every widget!


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Old 10-12-2012, 11:38 AM
Martin Sivak
 
Default Root password and the location of the done button

Hi,

> Arg can we please have the root password dialog back into the main
> hub,
> the lack of it breaks minimal install

No, as that was one of the design goals to make the install faster.
Configuration which does not need to be done before packages are copied was moved to the progress screen (we will add more).

We changed the root password dialog to require a visit by the user though. The "is mandatory" logic will probably change a bit when user creation and new firstboot get included (F19).

>
> Can we please have the done button in the right upper corner like the
> rest of the application in the world has it you know that --> [X]
> <---
> thing you see in every widget!

Have you ever seen the system configuration app from Gnome or Mac OS X? They both have the back button at the same place as anaconda. The icon is different, but the concept is the same. (screenshots attached)

I haven't seen an application having a real button in the top right corner yet. Only the decoration has controls there (and I for one have them on the left side...).

The button in question really is not "close dialog", neither it is "close app" or "cancel". It stands for return to the main screen. We should probably add an arrow and make it more visible, but personally I like it there.

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Old 10-12-2012, 01:38 PM
Vratislav Podzimek
 
Default Root password and the location of the done button

On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 11:05 +0000, "Jˇhann B. Gu­mundsson" wrote:
> Arg can we please have the root password dialog back into the main hub,
> the lack of it breaks minimal install
How does it break minimal install? Now that you have to visit root
password spoke to complete the installation, I don't see any way how can
it break minimal install.

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Old 10-12-2012, 01:48 PM
Martin Sivak
 
Default Root password and the location of the done button

I already posted comments and screenshot about this to the bug Johann filled: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=865765

Martin

----- Original Message -----
> On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 11:05 +0000, "Jˇhann B. Gu­mundsson" wrote:
> > Arg can we please have the root password dialog back into the main
> > hub,
> > the lack of it breaks minimal install
> How does it break minimal install? Now that you have to visit root
> password spoke to complete the installation, I don't see any way how
> can
> it break minimal install.
>
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>
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:00 PM
Martin Sivak
 
Default Root password and the location of the done button

Hi,

Anyway, lot of the changes (progress hub) originate from ideas and comments in this mailing list thread: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-October/144105.html

It is rather long and had a couple of offsprings though and it was then further discussed and the rough outline decided during FUDCon Tempe 2011.

Once Chris approves my other post, you can read my answer to your second point including screenshots of other setup apps (in Gnome and Mac OS X) using the same UI logic.

Martin

----- Original Message -----
> Arg can we please have the root password dialog back into the main
> hub,
> the lack of it breaks minimal install
>
> Can we please have the done button in the right upper corner like the
> rest of the application in the world has it you know that --> [X]
> <---
> thing you see in every widget!
>
> Thanks
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:11 PM
Vratislav Podzimek
 
Default Root password and the location of the done button

On Fri, 2012-10-12 at 11:05 +0000, "Jˇhann B. Gu­mundsson" wrote:
> Arg can we please have the root password dialog back into the main hub,
> the lack of it breaks minimal install
>
> Can we please have the done button in the right upper corner like the
> rest of the application in the world has it you know that --> [X] <---
> thing you see in every widget!
Just one little advice:
If you want something to be fixed, improved or explained, writing emails
with a lot of "!"s and filing bugs with ironic comments and even more
"!"s is really not a good idea.

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Old 10-12-2012, 03:50 PM
Chris Murphy
 
Default Root password and the location of the done button

The Done button location is not ideal.

The problem with Root password and Minimal Install I don't understand. But the need to set a password isn't made clear for no-GUI package sets. But you can boot in Rescue/single-user mode and set the root password.


Chris Murphy

"Jˇhann B. Gu­mundsson" <johannbg@gmail.com> wrote:

>Arg can we please have the root password dialog back into the main hub,
>the lack of it breaks minimal install
>
>Can we please have the done button in the right upper corner like the
>rest of the application in the world has it you know that --> [X] <---
>thing you see in every widget!
>
>Thanks
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Old 10-12-2012, 04:29 PM
Jesse Keating
 
Default Root password and the location of the done button

It's clear now because it is always required that you visit the spoke.

- jlk

On Oct 12, 2012, at 8:57, Chris Murphy <lists@colorremedies.com> wrote:

> But the need to set a password isn't made clear for no-GUI package sets. But you can boot in Rescue/single-user mode and set the root password.

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Old 10-12-2012, 05:25 PM
Chris Murphy
 
Default Root password and the location of the done button

On Oct 12, 2012, at 5:38 AM, Martin Sivak wrote:
>
> Have you ever seen the system configuration app from Gnome or Mac OS X? They both have the back button at the same place as anaconda.

They're not the same UI experience. Here's why:

The Gnome and Mac OS X examples are not full screen; the navigation options consistently and only appear in their own distinct field (the toolbar), which also uses a different background color. These features make their navigation buttons discoverable.

With anaconda, the navigation is mixed but it's usually on the bottom. When the Done button appears, it's like a deer in the woods. It's no longer in the expected navigation location setup with earlier experiences, it's up top. So there's a huge context change. Next, the "woods" are the giant words "INSTALLATION DESTINATION" and smaller words e.g. "LOCAL STANDARD DISKS" in between which one finds the Done button separated by only a few pixels. This adds visual noise, and the user is far less likely to notice the Done button. It does not look like an interactive element. On this very same page you have one interactive element on the top left obscured, and another (a Continue button) on the bottom right.

I suggest placing the Done button to the left of the Continue button. Same for the Manual Partitioning page: "Back to Destination Selection" should be to the left of "Finish Partitioning". And same for all buttons appearing in the upper left corner, which is not at all an obvious location for interactive elements in this particular UI.



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Old 10-12-2012, 05:51 PM
Chris Murphy
 
Default Root password and the location of the done button

On Oct 12, 2012, at 10:45 AM, J├│hann B. Gu├░mundsson wrote:

> On 10/12/2012 03:50 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> The Done button location is not ideal.
>>
>> The problem with Root password and Minimal Install I don't understand. But the need to set a password isn't made clear for no-GUI package sets. But you can boot in Rescue/single-user mode and set the root password.
>
> The password dialog has been removed from the main hub and put into the actual installing widget and currently is not working there or is working on a whim.

OK I haven't had that experience yet in the ~ 12 Minimal Installs I've done in vbox, or the 4 I've done in KVM. *shrug*

> You or any designer can try to make the argument here like you are doing that reporters can always workaround the lack of root password by adding various kernel command line switches but that is not true for example

This is not my first day at the rodeo. I've done a lot of testing in my day, and therefore I'm used to dodging non-show stopper bugs, making a report, and testing other things.

> The harder it gets for reporter to actually test the distribution the fewer and far between they come and shorter they stay ( which is not something we want or need in the project )ÔÇŽ

Testing takes time and patience. When agitation sets in, take a day or two off. Poking a big badass snake with a stick is probably not the best idea I've heard this week.


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